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From: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New filesystem for Linux
Date: 03 Nov 2006 00:41:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p73velxju18.fsf@verdi.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611022221330.4104@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>

Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> writes:

> new method to keep data consistent in case of crashes (instead
> of journaling),

What is that method?

> * There is a rw semaphore that is locked for read for nearly all

Depending on the length of the critical section rw locks are often
not faster than non rw locks because the read case has to bounce
around the cache line of the lock anyways and they're actually
a little more expensive.
> * This leads to another observation --- on i386 locking a semaphore is
> 2 instructions, on x86_64 it is a call to two nested functions. Has it

The second call should be a tail call, i.e. just a jump

The first call isn't needed on a non debug kernel, but doing the
two unconditional jumps should be basically free on a modern OOO CPU.

The actual implementation is spinlock based vs atomic based for i386.
This was because at some point nobody could benchmark a difference
between the two and the spinlock based version is much easier
to verify and to understand. If you can demonstrate a difference
that could be reevaluated.

> some reason or was it just implementator's laziness? Given the fact
> that locked instruction takes 16 ticks on Opteron (and can overlap
> about 2 ticks with other instructions), it would make sense to have
> optimized semaphores too.

In the last time we're going more for saved icache and better
use of branch predictors (who are more happy with less branch locations
to cache) I would expect the call/ret to be executed
mostly in parallel with the other code anyways.

-Andi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-11-02 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-02 21:52 New filesystem for Linux Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:32 ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03  1:22   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  1:41     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-03 17:14       ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 17:09         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 17:36           ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 18:14             ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 19:08             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:32               ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 19:00         ` Alan Cox
2006-11-03 19:14           ` Andi Kleen
2006-11-03  2:09     ` Gabriel C
2006-11-03  8:26       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:52         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 11:59           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:50             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 18:48               ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 21:51                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-03 11:47       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 22:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-03  1:28   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  1:43     ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-04 18:40   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 19:07     ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-04 19:39     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-11-05  1:58     ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05  2:09       ` Patrick McFarland
2006-11-05 13:03     ` Maurizio Lombardi
2006-11-05 20:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-02 22:54 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-02 23:10   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-02 23:19   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:29     ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-03  1:34       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 20:30         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-11-04 18:46           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 12:02             ` Theodore Tso
2006-11-03 22:00         ` Oleg Verych
2006-11-03 22:42           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03  0:57     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-11-03 13:05     ` Ric Wheeler
2006-11-06  2:42     ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-04 19:59   ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 21:01     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-11-05 16:37       ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-04 23:38     ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 23:46       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-11-05 20:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-05 21:27           ` Rene Herman
2006-11-05 21:51             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-11-06  0:36               ` Rene Herman
2006-11-05 21:49       ` Pavel Machek
2006-11-05  1:57     ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 11:14       ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-11-05 11:27         ` Brad Campbell
2006-11-05 12:37           ` Alan Cox
2006-11-06  2:48           ` Phillip Susi
2006-11-05 16:22         ` Albert Cahalan
2006-11-05 17:18       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 18:14         ` Alan Cox
2006-11-05 18:18           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05 19:14             ` Alan Cox
2006-11-02 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-03 20:02   ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-02 23:41 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2006-11-03  1:45   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:47     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-11-03 14:39       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-02 23:59 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03  1:19   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 10:19     ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 11:56       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 12:21         ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 13:31           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 13:48             ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 14:19               ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-03 14:53                 ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:01                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 10:46                     ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:50                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-06 21:19                         ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-03 19:51             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-11-03 19:00     ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 10:53       ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 11:13         ` dean gaudet
2006-11-04 20:07           ` Jörn Engel
2006-11-04 18:52       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 18:56         ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-11-04 19:18           ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-04 17:37 ` Gautham R Shenoy
2006-11-04 18:27   ` Eric Dumazet
2006-11-05 22:33     ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-05  0:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-05  4:14   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-11-05  8:34     ` Willy Tarreau
2006-11-05 11:31       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-11-05 14:48     ` Bruno Cesar Ribas
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2006-11-06 17:40 Al Boldi

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