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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lm@bitmover.com
Subject: Re: [RFD] Explicitly documenting patch submission
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:13:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2004.05.27.16.13.04.82253@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20040527145127.GB3375@work.bitmover.com

On Thu, 27 May 2004 07:51:27 -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> I suspect that with a little practice this could be quite useful.  
> I could build tools which record the secondary patches as diffs to
> the patches (I think) and if you have ever read a diff of a diff 
> it is suprisingly useful.  I tend to save diffs of my work in 
> progress and then later I'll generate diffs again and diff them to 
> get my context back.

This is a classic case of wanting an audit trail just like you have in
accounting packages. For audit trails you have to have the entire trail,
not just pieces of it. 

I like the idea of nested packages signed by each person who touched it.
The gives a perfect audit trail back to who authored each line. I'm sure
bk could be modified to produce these automatically.

I don't believe the size of this would get out of control. Only the master
Linux repository has to keep all of it. bk clone could get a new option
that says, i don't care about the downstream audit trail. Disks are cheap,
I doubt if the entire Linux audit trail would fill up more than a couple
of them.

Audit trails are something that are rarely looked at but of vital
importance. Linux needs complete and accurate audit trails. I agree that
audit trails can clutter up patches, but the patches have to have these
trails. The way to address this is via tools that convert the new patches
into the old formats for people to read. Plus the bitkeeper interface
would also hide all of the detail unless asked. Of course other source
control systems will also need a set of helper tools too.

Another problem is that you need a central key repository. Since it's
pretty stupid to for each developer to send $2,000 to verisign for a key
maybe bitmover would consider running the key repository. This is a
painful job, if they want to do it, I'd let them.


Jon Smirl, jonsmirl@yahoo.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-27 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-27  6:20 [RFD] Explicitly documenting patch submission Larry McVoy
2004-05-27  8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-27 14:51   ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-27 15:18     ` Jörn Engel
2004-05-27 16:13     ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2004-05-27 21:09   ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-27 21:46     ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 13:24       ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:07         ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 15:19           ` Dave Jones
2004-05-28 15:27             ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:35               ` Dave Jones
2004-05-28 17:11             ` Theodore Ts'o
2004-05-28 17:16               ` Larry McVoy
2004-05-28 15:24           ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <A6974D8E5F98D511BB910002A50A6647615FD265@hdsmsx403.hd.intel.com>
2004-06-03  6:38 ` Len Brown
     [not found] <20040525110000.27463.19462.Mailman@lists.us.dell.com>
2004-05-25 15:03 ` Justin Michael
     [not found] <1ZBgK-68x-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-05-25  6:43 ` Kai Henningsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-24 23:05 Albert Cahalan
2004-05-25  3:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 19:28   ` Horst von Brand
     [not found] <1YUY7-6fF-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-05-24 19:57 ` Andi Kleen
2004-05-24 20:07   ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-24 20:19     ` Joe Perches
2004-05-24 20:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 21:16       ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-24 21:38         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25  0:41       ` Francis J. A. Pinteric
2004-05-25  1:56         ` viro
2004-05-24 20:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 22:01     ` Andi Kleen
2004-05-24 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 20:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-05-24 21:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-24 21:20       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-06-10  8:00         ` Pavel Machek
2004-05-25  3:49       ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-25  4:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 11:11           ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-05-25 13:48             ` Steven Cole
2004-05-25 14:12             ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-24 21:19   ` Horst von Brand
2004-05-23 23:19 Shane Shrybman
2004-05-23  6:46 Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23  7:41 ` Neil Brown
2004-05-23  8:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 15:25   ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 15:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-23 15:42       ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 18:03       ` Matt Mackall
2004-05-23 15:38     ` Ian Stirling
2004-05-23 15:44       ` Greg KH
2004-05-23 16:01       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 15:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 16:33 ` Horst von Brand
2004-05-23 17:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-23 17:32     ` Roman Zippel
2004-05-23 17:55 ` Joe Perches
2004-05-23 19:00   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-05-23 19:12     ` Joe Perches
2004-05-23 21:41   ` Francois Romieu
2004-05-23 19:01 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-23 19:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 15:20     ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 21:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-05-25  6:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-05-25 18:11   ` Paul Jackson
2004-05-25  7:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-25 15:32   ` Steven Cole
2004-05-25 16:02     ` Bradley Hook
2004-05-25 18:51       ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 19:44         ` Bradley Hook
2004-05-26  4:16         ` Daniel Phillips
2004-05-25 13:11 ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 17:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 17:18     ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 18:02       ` Dave Jones
2004-05-25 18:06         ` Ben Collins
2004-05-25 18:51           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 15:00 ` raven
2004-05-25 15:44 ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 16:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 16:43     ` La Monte H.P. Yarroll
2004-05-25 17:40   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-05-25 17:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 16:42 ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-05-25 17:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-05-25 18:08     ` Andy Isaacson
2004-05-25 20:10       ` Matt Mackall
2004-06-10 12:58         ` Pavel Machek

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