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From: Christoph Rohland <cr@sap.com>
To: richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com
Cc: Michael Rothwell <rothwell@holly-springs.nc.us>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Generalised Kernel Hooks Interface (GKHI)
Date: 09 Nov 2000 12:24:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <qwwvgtxjslr.fsf@sap.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <80256992.002FE358.00@d06mta06.portsmouth.uk.ibm.com>
In-Reply-To: richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com's message of "Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:43:09 +0000"

Hi Richard,

On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, richardj moore wrote:
> Let be clear about one thing: the GKHI make no statement about
> enabling proprietary extensions and that's a common
> misconception. GKHI is intended to make optional facilities easier
> to co-install and change. We designed it for DProbes, and when
> modularised will remain a GPL opensource offering.

Yes, I understand that.

> The only motivation for providing GKHI is to make the kernel more
> acceptable to the enterprise customer, but allowing, for example,
> RAS capabilities to be brough in easily and dynmaically. This type
> of customer will not readily succome to on-the-fly kernel rebuilds
> to diagnose problems that occur only in complex production
> environments.

I know this problem pretty well.

> If anything opens the door to proprietary extensions it's the
> loadable kernel modules capability or perhaps the loose wording of
> the GPL which doesn't catch loadable kernel modules, or
> whatever... Bottom line GKHI really has no bearing on this.

Yes, and that's why I am opposing here: Technically you are right, but
proposing that enterprise Linux should go this way is inviting binary
only modules due to the lax handling of modules.

Please keep in mind: I did not react to your announcement but to the
proposal that the companies should jump on it to do a special
enterprise Linux. If we really need a special enterprise tree lets do
it without module tricks.

Greetings
		Christoph
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-09 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-09  7:43 [ANNOUNCE] Generalised Kernel Hooks Interface (GKHI) richardj_moore
2000-11-09 11:24 ` Christoph Rohland [this message]
2000-11-09 12:25   ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 12:30     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2000-11-09 12:46       ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 13:35         ` Alan Cox
2000-11-09 13:43           ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 14:23             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-09 12:50     ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-09 12:53       ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 13:39         ` Paul Jakma
2000-11-09 14:06           ` Marco Colombo
2000-11-09 14:14           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-09 14:26             ` Alan Cox
2000-11-09 14:37               ` Jeff Garzik
2000-11-09 20:24               ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-09 13:31     ` Alan Cox
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2000-11-15 15:24 richardj_moore
2000-11-15 18:20 ` Matt D. Robinson
2000-11-15 15:22 richardj_moore
2000-11-14  1:34 richardj_moore
2000-11-13  5:52 richardj_moore
2000-11-12 23:27 richardj_moore
2000-11-13 10:38 ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-14  3:17   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-10 19:31 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 18:42 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 16:08 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 11:41 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 16:24 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-10 16:37   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-11-10 18:36     ` Matt D. Robinson
2000-11-11  0:12       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-11  3:29         ` Matt D. Robinson
2000-11-11  4:57           ` Keith Owens
2000-11-11 17:58           ` tytso
2000-11-13 10:30             ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-11 21:48         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2000-11-11 22:12           ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-10 16:54   ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-10 11:17 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 10:57 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 10:57 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 10:57 richardj_moore
2000-11-10 13:45 ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 13:51   ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-10 14:00     ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 14:37   ` David Lang
2000-11-09 14:02 Jesse Pollard
2000-11-08 20:31 richardj_moore
2000-11-08 21:35 ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09  7:44   ` Christoph Rohland
2000-11-09  7:53     ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-09  8:08       ` Andre Hedrick
2000-11-09  8:43       ` Christoph Rohland
2000-11-09 12:20         ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 12:31           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2000-11-09 12:40           ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-09 13:02             ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 13:30               ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-09 13:39                 ` Michael Rothwell
2000-11-09 17:19                 ` Mike Coleman
2000-11-09 17:27                   ` Alexander Viro
2000-11-10 11:42                     ` Martin Dalecki
2000-11-09 13:40               ` Marco Colombo
2000-11-10  8:44           ` Christoph Rohland
2000-11-09 12:50       ` Tigran Aivazian
2000-11-09 16:03       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-10  8:42         ` Christoph Rohland
2000-11-09 14:28   ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2000-11-10 15:07   ` Matti Aarnio
2000-11-10 15:24     ` Michael Rothwell

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