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From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
To: Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Marcel Holtmann <marcel@holtmann.org>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@redhat.com>,
	Oliver Neukum <oneukum@suse.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@canonical.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Laura Abbott <labbott@fedoraproject.org>,
	"Johan Hedberg" <johan.hedberg@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"Gustavo F. Padovan" <gustavo@padovan.org>,
	"bluez mailin list (linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org)" 
	<linux-bluetooth@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RESEND][PATCH] Bluetooth: Make request workqueue freezable
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:32:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <s5hmw0x4z12.wl-tiwai@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <555E158D.4090607@broadcom.com>

At Thu, 21 May 2015 19:27:41 +0200,
Arend van Spriel wrote:
> 
> On 05/21/15 17:35, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > At Thu, 21 May 2015 11:26:17 -0400 (EDT),
> > Alan Stern wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 21 May 2015, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>
> >>> At Thu, 21 May 2015 10:18:08 -0400 (EDT),
> >>> Alan Stern wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 21 May 2015, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Then avoiding the failed firmware is no solution, indeed.
> >>>>> If it's a new probe, it should be never executed during resume.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can you expand this comment?  What's wrong with probing during resume?
> >>>
> >>> Well, if the probe requires the access to a user-space file, it can't
> >>> be done during resume.  That's the very problem we're seeing now.
> >>> The firmware loader can't help much alone if it's a new device
> >>> object.
> >>
> >> But the same thing happens during early boot, if the driver is built
> >> into the kernel.  When the probe occurs, userspace isn't up and running
> >> yet, so the firmware loader can't do anything.
> >>
> >> Why should probe during resume be any worse than probe during early
> >> boot?
> >
> > The early boot has initrd, so the files can be there.  But the resume
> > has no way to fetch the file except for cached data.
> 
> but initrd is optional so without initrd it is pretty much the same.

User can build the firmware into the kernel.


Takashi

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-21 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-12  0:52 [RESEND][PATCH] Bluetooth: Make request workqueue freezable Laura Abbott
2015-05-12  1:07 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-12  1:46   ` Laura Abbott
2015-05-12 15:14     ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-13  1:18       ` Laura Abbott
2015-05-19  9:46         ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-19 14:26           ` Alan Stern
2015-05-19 14:52             ` Oliver Neukum
2015-05-19 15:22             ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-19 17:17               ` Alan Stern
2015-05-19 17:13             ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-19 17:42               ` Oliver Neukum
2015-05-20  6:29                 ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-20  8:40                   ` Oliver Neukum
2015-05-20  9:46                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-20 12:44                       ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-20 23:42                         ` Laura Abbott
2015-05-21  4:21                           ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-21 12:07                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-21 12:36                               ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-21 14:18                                 ` Alan Stern
2015-05-21 14:39                                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-21 15:26                                     ` Alan Stern
2015-05-21 15:35                                       ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-21 17:27                                         ` Arend van Spriel
2015-05-21 17:32                                           ` Takashi Iwai [this message]
2015-05-21 20:46                                             ` Arend van Spriel
2015-05-22 11:30                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2015-05-21 17:37                                         ` Alan Stern
2015-05-21 18:11                                           ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-21 18:17                                             ` Laura Abbott
2015-05-22  0:21                                       ` Laura Abbott
2015-05-22  3:13                                         ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-28  0:47                                           ` Laura Abbott
2015-06-02  1:14                                           ` [PATCH 1/2] Bluetooth: Add reset_resume function Laura Abbott
2015-06-02  1:28                                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-06-02 14:17                                               ` Josh Boyer
2015-06-02 15:07                                                 ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-06-02  7:47                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2015-06-02  1:14                                           ` [PATCH 2/2] Bluetooth: btusb: " Laura Abbott
2015-06-02  1:32                                             ` Marcel Holtmann
2015-05-22  7:37                                         ` [RESEND][PATCH] Bluetooth: Make request workqueue freezable Arend van Spriel
2015-05-22  7:41                                           ` Arend van Spriel
2015-05-21 15:04                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2015-05-20 10:02                     ` Ming Lei

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