[BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Hetfield]

i've got hard problems with sound in all 2.6.x, even 2.6.7 kernels.

with 2.4.2x or windows i've got no problems, so i'm sure it's kernel and
not hardware related.

the problem is that sound jumps, flickers and isn't good when harddisk
reads lots of data (i mean not 1-2mb but 60-100mb and more)

i checked irq and there is not conflict, i setted a higher and lower
value of latency and nothing changed.

i've the same problems since 2.6.0 kernels. Vanilla and Gentoo too.
I've tried lots of solutions, like disabling preemptile kernel, adding
alsa and oss, only oss, only alsa, as module or built-in.
nothing changes.

my audio card is a Creative SB PCI128, found by linux as


0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] (rev
01)
        Subsystem: Unknown device 4942:4c4c
        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
        I/O ports at b000

while on Windows i use es1371/3 drivers.
however with 2.4.x i always used es1370 alsa module without problems.
When harddisk is sleeping sound is normally good.

Thanks for support

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Hetfield]

Il ven, 2004-06-18 alle 16:03, Hetfield ha scritto:
> i've got hard problems with sound in all 2.6.x, even 2.6.7 kernels.
> 
> with 2.4.2x or windows i've got no problems, so i'm sure it's kernel and
> not hardware related.
> 
> the problem is that sound jumps, flickers and isn't good when harddisk
> reads lots of data (i mean not 1-2mb but 60-100mb and more)
> 
> i checked irq and there is not conflict, i setted a higher and lower
> value of latency and nothing changed.
> 
> i've the same problems since 2.6.0 kernels. Vanilla and Gentoo too.
> I've tried lots of solutions, like disabling preemptile kernel, adding
> alsa and oss, only oss, only alsa, as module or built-in.
> nothing changes.
> 
> my audio card is a Creative SB PCI128, found by linux as
> 
> 
> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] (rev
> 01)
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 4942:4c4c
>         Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
>         I/O ports at b000
> 
> while on Windows i use es1371/3 drivers.
> however with 2.4.x i always used es1370 alsa module without problems.
> When harddisk is sleeping sound is normally good.
> 
> Thanks for support
> 
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i forgot to say that some applications doesn't work properly

example: "beep"  when i execute beep i hear no sounds, neither from speakers (audio card)
nor from internal pc speaker.

in kde environment kconsole doesn't beep too.
mplayer seems to have some problem using the alsa output, giving strange messages.
(using oss emulation works good, with the only bad sound quality problem)

xmms with alsa plugin works good without any warning or problem.

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Lenar Lõhmus]

Hello,

Do you have DMA enabled for your hard disk? hdparm -d /dev/hdx
will tel you ...

Lenar

Hetfield wrote:

>i've got hard problems with sound in all 2.6.x, even 2.6.7 kernels.
>
>with 2.4.2x or windows i've got no problems, so i'm sure it's kernel and
>not hardware related.
>
>the problem is that sound jumps, flickers and isn't good when harddisk
>reads lots of data (i mean not 1-2mb but 60-100mb and more)
>
>i checked irq and there is not conflict, i setted a higher and lower
>value of latency and nothing changed.
>
>i've the same problems since 2.6.0 kernels. Vanilla and Gentoo too.
>I've tried lots of solutions, like disabling preemptile kernel, adding
>alsa and oss, only oss, only alsa, as module or built-in.
>nothing changes.
>
>my audio card is a Creative SB PCI128, found by linux as
>
>
>0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] (rev
>01)
>        Subsystem: Unknown device 4942:4c4c
>        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
>        I/O ports at b000
>
>while on Windows i use es1371/3 drivers.
>however with 2.4.x i always used es1370 alsa module without problems.
>When harddisk is sleeping sound is normally good.
>
>Thanks for support
>
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Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Takashi Iwai]

At Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:03:53 +0200,
Hetfield wrote:
> 
> i've got hard problems with sound in all 2.6.x, even 2.6.7 kernels.
> 
> with 2.4.2x or windows i've got no problems, so i'm sure it's kernel and
> not hardware related.
> 
> the problem is that sound jumps, flickers and isn't good when harddisk
> reads lots of data (i mean not 1-2mb but 60-100mb and more)
> 
> i checked irq and there is not conflict, i setted a higher and lower
> value of latency and nothing changed.

It's a known problem with this hardware.
Since the ALSA code isn't change, I suspect the problem is somewhere
else, e.g. in the IDE driver code...

--
Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>		ALSA Developer - www.alsa-project.org

> 
> i've the same problems since 2.6.0 kernels. Vanilla and Gentoo too.
> I've tried lots of solutions, like disabling preemptile kernel, adding
> alsa and oss, only oss, only alsa, as module or built-in.
> nothing changes.
> 
> my audio card is a Creative SB PCI128, found by linux as
> 
> 
> 0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] (rev
> 01)
>         Subsystem: Unknown device 4942:4c4c
>         Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
>         I/O ports at b000
> 
> while on Windows i use es1371/3 drivers.
> however with 2.4.x i always used es1370 alsa module without problems.
> When harddisk is sleeping sound is normally good.

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Takashi Iwai]

At Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:12:58 +0200,
Hetfield wrote:
> 
> example: "beep"  when i execute beep i hear no sounds, neither from
> speakers (audio card) 
> nor from internal pc speaker.

Did you enable CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR?

> in kde environment kconsole doesn't beep too.
> mplayer seems to have some problem using the alsa output, giving strange messages.
> (using oss emulation works good, with the only bad sound quality problem)

Then it's a mlayer specific problem.


Takashi

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Hetfield]

Il ven, 2004-06-18 alle 16:20, Lenar Lõhmus ha scritto:
> Hello,
> 
> Do you have DMA enabled for your hard disk? hdparm -d /dev/hdx
> will tel you ...
> 
disabling DMA fixes completly the problem.
of course cpu usage is very high without it.
i can't burn cd and speed faster than 4x.

so ide-dma related seems!

> Lenar
> 
> Hetfield wrote:
> 
> >i've got hard problems with sound in all 2.6.x, even 2.6.7 kernels.
> >
> >with 2.4.2x or windows i've got no problems, so i'm sure it's kernel and
> >not hardware related.
> >
> >the problem is that sound jumps, flickers and isn't good when harddisk
> >reads lots of data (i mean not 1-2mb but 60-100mb and more)
> >
> >i checked irq and there is not conflict, i setted a higher and lower
> >value of latency and nothing changed.
> >
> >i've the same problems since 2.6.0 kernels. Vanilla and Gentoo too.
> >I've tried lots of solutions, like disabling preemptile kernel, adding
> >alsa and oss, only oss, only alsa, as module or built-in.
> >nothing changes.
> >
> >my audio card is a Creative SB PCI128, found by linux as
> >
> >
> >0000:00:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI] (rev
> >01)
> >        Subsystem: Unknown device 4942:4c4c
> >        Flags: bus master, slow devsel, latency 32, IRQ 10
> >        I/O ports at b000
> >
> >while on Windows i use es1371/3 drivers.
> >however with 2.4.x i always used es1370 alsa module without problems.
> >When harddisk is sleeping sound is normally good.
> >
> >Thanks for support
> >
> >-
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> >
> 
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________________________________________________________________________
Hetfield
www.blight.tk

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Hetfield]

Il ven, 2004-06-18 alle 16:35, Takashi Iwai ha scritto:
> At Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:12:58 +0200,
> Hetfield wrote:
> > 
> > example: "beep"  when i execute beep i hear no sounds, neither from
> > speakers (audio card) 
> > nor from internal pc speaker.
> 
> Did you enable CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR?

sorry i can't find it! i searched whole sound system part of menuconfig
without finding nothing similar...

> 
> > in kde environment kconsole doesn't beep too.
> > mplayer seems to have some problem using the alsa output, giving strange messages.
> > (using oss emulation works good, with the only bad sound quality problem)
> 
> Then it's a mlayer specific problem.
> 

i suppose so too. i'll fill an mplayer bug.
however it seems that the problem is with IDE driver, when DMA is
enabled. Can the right team investigate for that?

thanks
> 
> Takashi
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________________________________________________________________________
Hetfield
www.blight.tk

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Jeff Garzik]

Hetfield wrote:
> i forgot to say that some applications doesn't work properly
> 
> example: "beep"  when i execute beep i hear no sounds, neither from speakers (audio card)
> nor from internal pc speaker.

This has nothing to do with ALSA -- you are probably not loading the PC 
speaker driver.

	Jeff

Re: [BUG] 2.6.x ALSA sound is pretty broken

[Takashi Iwai]

At Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:34:43 +0200,
Hetfield wrote:
> 
> Il ven, 2004-06-18 alle 16:35, Takashi Iwai ha scritto:
> > At Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:12:58 +0200,
> > Hetfield wrote:
> > > 
> > > example: "beep"  when i execute beep i hear no sounds, neither from
> > > speakers (audio card) 
> > > nor from internal pc speaker.
> > 
> > Did you enable CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR?
> 
> sorry i can't find it! i searched whole sound system part of menuconfig
> without finding nothing similar...

It's in 'Input device support/Misc' section (by mysterious reason :)


Takashi