From: Oleg Verych <olecom@flower.upol.cz>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway (philosophical)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 07:35:25 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <slrnf915mk.bju.olecom@flower.upol.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0707061111050.3737-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org
* Alan Stern <Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 11:13:14 -0400 (EDT)>
>> Why are you guys working so hard and spending so much energy to try to
>> avoid doing the right thing is beyond my understanding...
>>
>> > It _does_ apply to kernel threads. That's exactly why I wrote above
>> > that kernel threads which try to do I/O during a suspend will need
>> > extra attention.
>>
>> Ok none at all if you don't have a freezer.
>
> In answer to both questions: We need the freezer in order to
Non of *complex* living creatures survive motionless freezing (with
ice).
That's why stupid me just don't care about all that stuff in the
Linux. It's nice to see somebody approaches this from technical, but not
off-topical POV :).
____
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2007-07-03 4:29 [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 4:54 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:21 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 5:24 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:08 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-03 7:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 7:44 ` [linux-pm] " Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 10:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:27 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 11:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 0:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 11:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:55 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 7:02 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 8:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 10:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:58 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 11:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:42 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:11 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:11 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 8:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 8:39 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 9:21 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:46 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 10:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 14:44 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 15:58 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:04 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:28 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 11:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 11:46 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:21 ` [linux-pm] " Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 14:50 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:59 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 15:22 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 4:59 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:23 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 6:58 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:24 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:41 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 8:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 8:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 10:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 10:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 13:46 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:46 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-05 15:00 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 16:06 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 5:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2007-07-05 14:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 22:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:30 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 12:35 ` Benny Amorsen
2007-07-06 12:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 9:18 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 9:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 19:38 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 19:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:19 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:38 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 20:34 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:46 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:49 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 20:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:06 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-05 21:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:15 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 21:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 21:37 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 7:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 8:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 9:31 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 2:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 2:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 20:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 0:50 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-06 7:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-07 12:17 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 23:33 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 7:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 8:15 ` Off topically about Re: malicious filesystems (was " Oleg Verych
2007-07-08 12:37 ` malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] " Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 13:58 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 16:23 ` David Brownell
2007-07-08 14:23 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 18:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:28 ` Al Viro
2007-07-08 19:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 9:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-09 9:36 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-08 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 16:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 15:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 21:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-12 23:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 11:58 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:24 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 22:04 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:07 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 12:19 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 7:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:23 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 22:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:13 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 7:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 7:35 ` Oleg Verych [this message]
2007-07-07 7:56 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 3:55 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 15:12 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 0:35 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:15 ` removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 13:57 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:26 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:39 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:04 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:03 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-05 15:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 15:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 12:08 ` problem 1 (was Re: removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway)) Pavel Machek
2007-07-07 20:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:42 ` [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 14:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 14:48 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-03 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:29 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:48 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:10 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:24 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:15 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 11:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-07 12:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 22:19 ` The big suspend mess Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 0:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 0:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 10:29 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-05 10:32 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-07-05 1:22 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 12:18 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:14 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-05 9:30 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 22:46 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:13 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 23:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-05 23:35 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 1:19 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 1:37 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 3:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 7:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 9:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 3:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 11:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 0:40 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 16:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:42 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:24 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 4:39 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 18:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 11:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 18:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 0:43 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-07 2:59 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-07 4:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-07 17:19 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 0:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 2:53 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 5:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 5:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 20:17 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 19:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 21:07 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 21:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:13 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 22:23 ` david
2007-07-08 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:20 ` david
2007-07-08 23:28 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 23:45 ` david
2007-07-09 15:23 ` hibernation/snapshot design Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-08 23:01 ` hibernation/snapshot design [was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway] Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 23:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-10 1:33 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 1:56 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-08 20:16 ` [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:01 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-08 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-08 22:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 0:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 0:57 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-09 1:32 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 6:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 9:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 9:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 14:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-09 10:02 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 10:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-09 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-08 21:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-08 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-06 3:54 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 4:03 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 4:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-06 5:25 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 5:01 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-06 5:53 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 2:07 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 3:03 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-07-05 0:03 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 0:46 ` [linux-pm] " Paul Mackerras
2007-07-03 5:49 ` [linux-pm] " Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 13:07 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 5:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 13:08 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 15:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 17:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 20:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:35 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 23:39 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 6:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 18:26 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 19:32 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 19:47 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 20:02 ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 20:45 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 21:48 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 21:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 22:04 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 23:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-04 8:10 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 23:45 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-05 12:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:38 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 13:35 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 13:36 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-05 13:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 21:49 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 7:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-06 7:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 7:51 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-06 9:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-06 9:16 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-06 9:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 21:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 19:27 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 21:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-03 6:13 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 6:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-03 12:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 13:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 7:37 ` Romano Giannetti
2007-07-03 8:20 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 13:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 12:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-09 13:29 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock (was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-11 13:28 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-11 13:45 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-12 9:17 ` sysrq-t dumps of s2ram/fuse deadlock (was Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) Pavel Machek
2007-07-03 16:03 ` [linux-pm] [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Alan Stern
2007-07-03 16:05 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 16:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 17:02 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:33 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 19:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 19:54 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 20:23 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:10 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 21:12 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:16 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 21:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:37 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 21:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-03 21:47 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-03 22:46 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 3:38 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 10:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 10:58 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 11:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 11:34 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-04 14:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-07-04 15:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:07 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 11:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 14:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-04 14:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 15:03 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 15:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:29 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:29 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12 15:13 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-04 15:42 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 19:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-04 21:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 8:37 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:39 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 16:10 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-05 17:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 0:43 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:49 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 0:36 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-05 12:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 12:50 ` Johannes Berg
2007-07-05 13:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-05 14:25 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-05 17:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-05 20:43 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 12:41 ` Theodore Tso
2007-07-04 14:40 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-03 22:21 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-03 22:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 14:38 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 14:58 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-04 15:02 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-04 15:57 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-04 23:33 ` Pavel Machek
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