From: Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>
To: Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] sched/fair: Throttle CFS tasks on return to userspace
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:34:11 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xm26a5i7zi7g.fsf@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xhsmhikwwyw8r.mognet@vschneid-thinkpadt14sgen2i.remote.csb> (Valentin Schneider's message of "Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:16:20 +0200")
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com> writes:
> On 18/07/24 17:25, Benjamin Segall wrote:
>> Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> I've tested a 10ms runtime / 100ms period cgroup with an always running
>>> task: upstream gets a "clean" periodic pattern of 10ms runtime every 100ms,
>>> whereas this gets something more like 40ms runtime every 400ms.
>>
>> Hmm, this seems a little odd since TWA_RESUME does a kick_process.
>
> I didn't ponder too much on the workload used here, but the point I wanted
> to bring up is: if you give a cgroup X amount of runtime, it may still
> consume more than that within a single period because execution in
> kernelspace isn't immediately stopped/throttled.
>
> It means the "standard" bandwidth control behaviour becomes a bit more
> bursty.
Yeah, more bursty behavior when doing cpu-burning syscalls is expected.
With the check on exit to user I wouldn't expect anything worse than the
duration of the syscall though, so it depends on what your test was.
>>> +
>>> + /*
>>> + * Account tasks woken up in children; by this point all direct children
>>> + * have been visited.
>>> + */
>>> + task_delta += cfs_rq->unthrottled_h_nr_running;
>>> + idle_task_delta += cfs_rq->unthrottled_idle_h_nr_running;
>>> +
>>> + cfs_rq->h_nr_running += task_delta;
>>> + cfs_rq->idle_h_nr_running += idle_task_delta;
>>> +
>>> + /*
>>> + * unthrottle_cfs_rq() needs a value to up-propagate above the
>>> + * freshly unthrottled cfs_rq.
>>> + */
>>> + cfs_rq->unthrottled_h_nr_running = task_delta;
>>> + cfs_rq->unthrottled_idle_h_nr_running = idle_task_delta;
>>
>> I think this should have no effect, right?
>
> Hm so my thoughts here are:
> The walk_tg_tree_from(tg_unthrottle_up) will update *nr_running counts up
> to the cfs_rq->tg->se[cpu_of(rq)]. However if that cfs_rq isn't the root
> one, we'll need the for_each_sched_entity() loop further down
> unthrottle_cfs_rq() to update the upper part of the hierarchy. The values
> that will be up-propagated there are the ones being saved here.
I'm pretty sure this comment was left over from when I didn't understand
what they were being used for. I'm pretty sure I remember intending to
remove it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-24 1:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-07-11 12:59 [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] sched/fair: Defer CFS throttle to user entry Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 12:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] rcuwait: Split type definition to its own header Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 15:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-15 17:57 ` Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 12:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] irq_work: " Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-11 12:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] task_work, sched: Add a _locked variant to task_work_cancel() Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 10:35 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-07-12 15:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-15 17:57 ` Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 12:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] sched/fair: Introduce sched_throttle_work Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 15:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-15 17:58 ` Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 12:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] sched/fair: Introduce an irq_work for cancelling throttle task_work Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 13:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] sched/fair: Prepare switched_from & switched_to for per-task throttling Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 15:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-11 13:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] sched/fair: Prepare task_change_group_fair() " Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 13:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] sched/fair: Prepare migrate_task_rq_fair() " Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 13:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] sched/fair: Add a class->task_woken callback in preparation " Valentin Schneider
2024-07-11 13:00 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] sched/fair: Throttle CFS tasks on return to userspace Valentin Schneider
2024-07-12 17:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-12 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-12 17:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-16 12:46 ` Valentin Schneider
2024-07-19 0:25 ` Benjamin Segall
2024-07-23 15:16 ` Valentin Schneider
2024-07-24 1:34 ` Benjamin Segall [this message]
2024-07-24 7:20 ` Valentin Schneider
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