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From: fche@redhat.com (Frank Ch. Eigler)
To: Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>
Cc: Jovi Zhangwei <jovi.zhangwei@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tom Zanussi <tom.zanussi@linux.intel.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"yrl.pp-manager.tt@hitachi.com" <yrl.pp-manager.tt@hitachi.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH tip 4/5] use BPF in tracing filters
Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 13:22:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y0m38m3qk23.fsf@fche.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52A26268.5070403@hitachi.com> (Masami Hiramatsu's message of "Sat, 07 Dec 2013 08:48:56 +0900")


masami.hiramatsu.pt wrote:

> [...]
> Anyway, as far as I can see, there looks be two different models of
> tracing in our mind.
>
> A) Fixed event based tracing: In this model, there are several fixed
> "events" which well defined with fixed arguments. tracer handles these
> events and only use limited arguments. It's like a packet stream
> processing. ftrace, perf etc. are used this model.
>
> B) Flexible event-point tracing: In this model, each tracer(or even
> trace user) can freely define their own event, there will be some fixed
> tracing points defined, but arguments are defined by users. It's like a
> debugger's breakpoint debugging. systemtap, ktap etc. are used this model.

It may be more useful to think of it as a contrast along the
hard-coded versus programmable axis.  (perf, systemtap, and ktap can
each reach to some extent across your "fixed" vs "flexible" line.
Each has some dynamic and some static-tracepoint capability.)


> e.g. B model has a good flexibility and A model is easy to use for
> beginners.

I don't think it's the model that dictates ease-of-use, but the
quality of implementation, logistics, documentation, and examples.


- FChE

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-08 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-03  4:28 [RFC PATCH tip 0/5] tracing filters with BPF Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03  4:28 ` [RFC PATCH tip 1/5] Extended BPF core framework Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03  4:28 ` [RFC PATCH tip 2/5] Extended BPF JIT for x86-64 Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03  4:28 ` [RFC PATCH tip 3/5] Extended BPF (64-bit BPF) design document Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03 17:01   ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-03 19:59     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03 20:41       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-12-03 21:31         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-04  9:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-03  4:28 ` [RFC PATCH tip 4/5] use BPF in tracing filters Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-04  0:48   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-04  1:11     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-05  0:05       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-05  5:11         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-06  8:43           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-06 10:05             ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-06 23:48               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-08 18:22                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2013-12-09 10:12                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-03  4:28 ` [RFC PATCH tip 5/5] tracing filter examples in BPF Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-04  0:35   ` Jonathan Corbet
2013-12-04  1:21     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03  9:16 ` [RFC PATCH tip 0/5] tracing filters with BPF Ingo Molnar
2013-12-03 15:33   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-03 18:26     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-04  1:13       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-09  7:29         ` Namhyung Kim
2013-12-09  9:51           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-03 18:06   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-04  9:34     ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-04 17:36       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-05 10:38         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-06  5:43           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-03 10:34 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-04  0:01 ` Andi Kleen
2013-12-04  3:09   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-05  4:40     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-05 10:41       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-05 13:46         ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-05 22:36           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-05 23:37             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-12-06  4:49               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-10 15:47                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-12-11  2:32                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-11  3:35                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-12  2:48                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-05 16:11       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-12-05 19:43         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-06  0:14       ` Andi Kleen
2013-12-06  1:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-06  1:20           ` Andi Kleen
2013-12-06  1:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-12-06 21:43               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2013-12-06  5:16             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-06 23:54               ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-07  1:01                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-06  5:46             ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-07  1:12             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2013-12-07 16:53               ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-06  5:19       ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-06 23:58         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-07 16:21           ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-09  4:59             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2013-12-06  6:17       ` Jovi Zhangwei
2013-12-05 16:31   ` Frank Ch. Eigler

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