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From: fche@redhat.com (Frank Ch. Eigler)
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>, Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 10/10] Scheduler profiling - Use immediate values
Date: 07 Jul 2007 11:45:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y0mvecwusj3.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070707001008.GV3492@stusta.de>

Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> writes:

> [...]
> profiling = debugging of performance problems

Indeed.

> My words were perhaps a bit sloppy, but profiling isn't part of
> normal operation and if people use a separate kernel for such
> purposes we don't need infrastructure for reducing performance
> penalties of enabled debug options.

Things are not so simple.  One might not know that one has a
performance problem until one tries some analysis tools.  Rebooting
into different kernels just to investigate does not work generally:
the erroneous phenomenon may have been short lived; the debug kernel,
being "only" for debugging, may not be well tested => sufficiently
trustworthy.

Your question asking for an actual performance impact of dormant hooks
is OTOH entirely legitimate.  It clearly depends on the placement of
those hooks and thus their encounter rate, more so than their
underlying technology (markers with whatever optimizations).  If the
cost is small enough, you will likely find that people will be willing
to pay a small fraction of average performance, in order to eke out
large gains when finding occasional e.g. algorithmic bugs.

- FChE

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-07 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-03 16:40 [patch 00/10] Immediate Values Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 01/10] Immediate values - Global modules list and module mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 02/10] Immediate Value - Architecture Independent Code Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 03/10] Immediate Values - Non Optimized Architectures Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 04/10] Immediate Value - Add kconfig menus Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 05/10] Immediate Values - kprobe header fix Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 06/10] Immediate Value - i386 Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 18:45   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-03 19:16     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 20:18       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-03 20:37         ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-07-03 21:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-03 23:10           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-03 20:43         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 21:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 07/10] Immediate Value - PowerPC Optimization Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 08/10] Immediate Value - Documentation Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 09/10] F00F bug fixup for i386 - use immediate values Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-04 20:43   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-03 16:40 ` [patch 10/10] Scheduler profiling - Use " Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-03 18:11   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-03 18:57     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-04 14:23       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-04 20:31       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-05 20:21       ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-05 20:29         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-05 20:41           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 11:44         ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-06 17:50           ` Li, Tong N
2007-07-06 20:03             ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-06 20:57               ` Li, Tong N
2007-07-06 21:03                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-07  1:50             ` [patch 10/10] *Tests* " Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-07  6:08               ` Li, Tong N
2007-07-11  5:02                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 22:14           ` [patch 10/10] " Chuck Ebbert
2007-07-06 23:28             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-06 23:38               ` Dave Jones
2007-07-07  0:10                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-07 15:45                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler [this message]
2007-07-07 17:01                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-07 17:20                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-07-07 17:59                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-07 17:55                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-07-06 23:43               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-07  2:25                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-07  2:35                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-07  4:03                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-07  5:02                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-07-04 20:35   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-04 22:41     ` Andi Kleen
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     [not found] ` <8CU38-5E1-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <8DjNU-4bL-47@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <8DkTC-5Vy-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-07-05 15:23       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-05 15:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-07-06 21:08           ` Adrian Bunk

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