From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752198AbaHMJZJ (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:25:09 -0400 Received: from unicorn.mansr.com ([81.2.72.234]:54850 "EHLO unicorn.mansr.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751134AbaHMJZH convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Aug 2014 05:25:07 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=E5ns_Rullg=E5rd?= To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Steven Rostedt , Christopher Barry , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: OT: Open letter to the Linux World References: <20140812153812.2923046a@monolith.infinux.org> <20140812202129.GA20344@home.goodmis.org> <20140813082756.GB2923@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:24:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20140813082756.GB2923@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (Peter Zijlstra's message of "Wed, 13 Aug 2014 10:27:56 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Peter Zijlstra writes: > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 11:07:05PM +0100, Måns Rullgård wrote: >> Steven Rostedt writes: >> >> > Nice rant, I sympathize with you (just complaining about this on G+). >> >> Made my day. >> >> > I'm just waiting for Linus to get pissed enough to write his own init >> > routine. Maybe he'll call it "Boot Init Through Computer Hardware". >> >> The trouble is that most of the heavy-weight kernel developers don't >> seem to care at all about what goes on in userspace. > > Well, I know for a fact that quite a number do; but so far most people > who care have been able to steer clear of this trainwreck so we did. > > I'm about to switch all my machines to Gentoo (from Debian) because that > will indeed allow you to build a distro without much of this nonsense > in -- because as has been eloquently said; you simply don't need this > fucking shite to run a 'normal' machine. Beware, even Gentoo will pull in systemd, if in a dormant state, unless you are very careful. -- Måns Rullgård mans@mansr.com