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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
	lkmm@lists.linux.dev, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2025 21:07:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB9GN29XXLPS.3L31JLBDSSDXS@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aHFMwB-aL7Lj_twN@tardis-2.local>

On Fri Jul 11, 2025 at 7:41 PM CEST, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 07:39:15AM -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> [...]
>> > > ---
>> > >  rust/kernel/sync/atomic.rs         |  18 +++++
>> > >  rust/kernel/sync/atomic/generic.rs | 108 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> > >  2 files changed, 126 insertions(+)
>> > 
>> > I think it's better to name this trait `AtomicAdd` and make it generic:
>> > 
>> >     pub unsafe trait AtomicAdd<Rhs = Self>: AllowAtomic {
>> >         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Rhs) -> Self::Repr;
>> >     }
>> > 
>> > `sub` and `fetch_sub` can be added using a similar trait.
>> > 
>> 
>> Seems a good idea, I will see what I can do. Thanks!
>> 
>> > The generic allows you to implement it multiple times with different
>> > meanings, for example:
>> > 
>> >     pub struct Nanos(u64);
>> >     pub struct Micros(u64);
>> >     pub struct Millis(u64);
>> > 
>> >     impl AllowAtomic for Nanos {
>> >         type Repr = i64;
>> >     }
>> > 
>> >     impl AtomicAdd<Millis> for Nanos {
>> >         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Millis) -> i64 {
>> >             transmute(rhs.0 * 1000_000)
>> 
>> We probably want to use `as` in real code?
>> 
>> >         }
>> >     }
>> > 
>> >     impl AtomicAdd<Micros> for Nanos {
>> >         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Micros) -> i64 {
>> >             transmute(rhs.0 * 1000)
>> >         }
>> >     }
>> > 
>> >     impl AtomicAdd<Nanos> for Nanos {
>> >         fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Nanos) -> i64 {
>> >             transmute(rhs.0)
>> >         }
>> >     }
>> > 
>> > For the safety requirement on the `AtomicAdd` trait, we might just
>> > require bi-directional transmutability... Or can you imagine a case
>> > where that is not guaranteed, but a weaker form is?
>> 
>> I have a case that I don't think it's that useful, but it's similar to
>> the `Micros` and `Millis` above, an `Even<T>` where `Even<i32>` is a
>
> Oh I mis-read, it's not similar to `Micros` or `Millis`, but still,
> `Even<i32>` itself should have the point.
>
>> `i32` but it's always an even number ;-) So transmute<i32, Even<i32>>()
>> is not always sound. Maybe we could add a "TODO" in the safety section
>> of `AtomicAdd`, and revisit this later? Like:
>> 
>> /// (in # Safety)
>> /// TODO: The safety requirement may be tightened to bi-directional
>> /// transmutability. 
>> 
>> And maybe also add the `Even` example there?
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>
> Or since we are going to use fine-grained traits, it's actually easy to
> define the safety requirement of `AtomicAdd` (instead of
> `AllowAtomicArithmetic) now:
>
>     /// # Safety
>     ///
>     /// For a `T: AtomicAdd<Rhs>`, the addition result of a valid bit
>     /// pattern of `T` and a `T::Repr` convert from `rhs_into_repr()` should
>     /// be a valid bit pattern of `T`.

Let's combine our two safety requirement ideas (I forgot about my Rhs
change).

---
Cheers,
Benno

>     pub unsafe trait AtomicAdd<Rhs = Self>: AllowAtomic {
>        fn rhs_into_repr(rhs: Rhs) -> Self::Repr;
>     }
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Boqun


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-11 19:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-10  6:00 [PATCH v6 0/9] LKMM generic atomics in Rust Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] rust: Introduce atomic API helpers Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] rust: sync: Add basic atomic operation mapping framework Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:04   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:12     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:46       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 16:16         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:21           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 20:29             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:15               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add ordering annotation types Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 11:08   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 12:00     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-10 14:42       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 15:05         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 15:57           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10 19:19             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10 18:32           ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10 19:06             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add generic atomics Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:03   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:22     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:34       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:34           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:25             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 13:58     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-14  7:08         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-13 19:51     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add atomic {cmp,}xchg operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:42   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add the framework of arithmetic operations Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:53   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 14:39     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 17:41       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 19:07         ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-11 18:55       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:51         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:03           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:22             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14  4:20               ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<u{32,64}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:54   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] rust: sync: Add memory barriers Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  8:57   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:32     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:57       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 19:26         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 21:04           ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 21:34             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:20     ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-14 15:42       ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:21         ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-15 15:35           ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-15 15:56             ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-16 19:42               ` Ralf Jung
2025-07-10  6:00 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] rust: sync: atomic: Add Atomic<{usize,isize}> Boqun Feng
2025-07-11  9:00   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-11 13:45     ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 14:07       ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 14:40         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 15:46           ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-11 18:35             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-11 19:05       ` Benno Lossin

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