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From: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/35] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for context analysis
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2025 11:48:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANpmjNMY55ytuWPh15O-tTe5zEQx3AN6LqrvB9NJ6dm6BsPnsA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251212095943.GM3911114@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 at 10:59, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2025 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Marco Elver wrote:
>
> > > It is *NOT* (as the clang naming suggests) an assertion of holding the
> > > lock (which is requires_ctx), but rather an annotation that forces the
> > > ctx to be considered held.
> >
> > Noted. I'll add some appropriate wording above the
> > __assumes_ctx_guard() attribute, so this is not lost in the commit
> > logs.
>
> On IRC you stated:
>
> <melver> peterz: 'assume' just forces the compiler to think something is
>   held, whether or not it is then becomes the programmer's problem. we
>   need it in 2 places at least: for the runtime assertions (to help
>   patterns beyond the compiler's static reasoning abilities), and for
>   initialization (so we can access guarded variables right after
>   initialization; nobody should hold the lock yet)
>
> I'm really not much a fan of that init hack either ;-)
>
> Once we get the scope crap working sanely, I would much rather we move
> to something like:
>
>         scoped_guard (spinlock_init, &foo->lock) {
>                 // init foo fields
>         }
>
> or perhaps:
>
>         guard(mutex_init)(&bar->lock);
>         // init until end of current scope
>
> Where this latter form is very similar to the current semantics where
> mutex_init() will implicitly 'leak' the holding of the lock. But the
> former gives more control where we need it.

I like it. It would also more clearly denote where initialization
start+ends if not confined to a dedicated function.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-12 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-20 14:49 [PATCH v4 00/35] Compiler-Based Context- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 01/35] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-context-analysis.h Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 02/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add infrastructure for Context Analysis with Clang Marco Elver
2025-11-20 18:14   ` Linus Torvalds
2025-11-20 23:51     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:44   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 12:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:12     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:37         ` Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add test stub Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 04/35] Documentation: Add documentation for Compiler-Based Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 05/35] checkpatch: Warn about context_unsafe() without comment Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09 ` [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 07/35] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for " Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:24       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:59         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:48           ` Marco Elver [this message]
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 08/35] locking/rwlock, spinlock: Support Clang's " Marco Elver
2025-12-11 11:49     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 09/35] compiler-context-analysis: Change __cond_acquires to take return value Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 10/35] locking/mutex: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 11/35] locking/seqlock: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 12/35] bit_spinlock: Include missing <asm/processor.h> Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 13/35] bit_spinlock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 14/35] rcu: " Marco Elver
2025-12-10 19:30     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-12-10 21:50       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-10 22:49         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 15/35] srcu: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 16/35] kref: Add context-analysis annotations Marco Elver
2025-12-11 12:26     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:54       ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:33         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 17/35] locking/rwsem: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 18/35] locking/local_lock: Include missing headers Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 19/35] locking/local_lock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 20/35] locking/ww_mutex: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 21/35] debugfs: Make debugfs_cancellation a context guard struct Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 22/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove Sparse support Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 23/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove __cond_lock() function-like helper Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 24/35] compiler-context-analysis: Introduce header suppressions Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 25/35] compiler: Let data_race() imply disabled context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 26/35] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 27/35] kfence: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 28/35] kcov: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 29/35] kcsan: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 30/35] stackdepot: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 31/35] rhashtable: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 32/35] printk: Move locking annotation to printk.c Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 33/35] security/tomoyo: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 34/35] crypto: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:10   ` [PATCH v4 35/35] sched: Enable context analysis for core.c and fair.c Marco Elver
2025-12-11  9:55   ` [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 11:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 12:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-11 13:19     ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12  9:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-12 10:15         ` Marco Elver
2025-12-12 11:09           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-10 16:18 ` [PATCH v4 00/35] Compiler-Based Context- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-12-10 16:37   ` Peter Zijlstra

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