[LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Garrett Cooper]

    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
Thanks,
-Garrett

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Garrett Cooper]

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.

(retroactively as of yesterday)
Going twice...

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Murlin Wenzel]

>>> On 11/10/2010 at 01:28 PM, in message
<AANLkTink7COs0xpg5QRPxBajHRGfYfnghs2_xn1FBFLk@mail.gmail.com>, Garrett Cooper
<yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote: 
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
>> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
> 
> (retroactively as of yesterday)
> Going twice...

I thought this was still being used by IBM in particular.  I know for a fact it has multiple issues with file versions, missing/changed updates etc.  Are you talking about removing the whole pounder tree?

Murlin


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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Garrett Cooper]

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/10/2010 at 01:28 PM, in message
> <AANLkTink7COs0xpg5QRPxBajHRGfYfnghs2_xn1FBFLk@mail.gmail.com>, Garrett Cooper
> <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
>>> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
>>
>> (retroactively as of yesterday)
>> Going twice...
>
> I thought this was still being used by IBM in particular.  I know for a fact it has multiple issues with file versions, missing/changed updates etc.  Are you talking about removing the whole pounder tree?

Answering my own question:
http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
, I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
actually a test / test suite).
Thanks!
-Garrett

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Subrata Modak]

On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:54 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 11/10/2010 at 01:28 PM, in message
> > <AANLkTink7COs0xpg5QRPxBajHRGfYfnghs2_xn1FBFLk@mail.gmail.com>, Garrett Cooper
> > <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
> >>> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
> >>
> >> (retroactively as of yesterday)
> >> Going twice...
> >
> > I thought this was still being used by IBM in particular.  I know for a fact it has multiple issues with file versions, missing/changed updates etc.  Are you talking about removing the whole pounder tree?
> 
> Answering my own question:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
> , I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
> remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
> it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
> confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
> actually a test / test suite).

IBM still uses Pounder heavily for testing Distros. So, we can move it
to some other portion of the tree but still should be inside LTP.

Regards--
Subrata

> Thanks!
> -Garrett
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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Iranna D Ankad]

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Oh yes, IBM (especially SystemX team) still uses pounder for distro 
validation. The thing is we use couple of other customized pounder scripts 
in addition to the ones present in the LTP's "pounder21" directory, so 
that dependent config files are downloaded & logs are saved from/to our 
repo server. Having said that, we still require LTP's "pounder21" tree. So 
please DO NOT remove it.

However, I agree that current pounder of LTP has some compatibility 
issues, thereby making it difficult to run independently on a stand alone 
system. This needs to be addressed and is in TODO list of our new pounder 
maintainer "Shubham Goyal (shubgoya@in.ibm.com)". 

@Shubham, any comments?

Thanks!
-Iranna D Ankad
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On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:54 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com> 
wrote:
> >>>> On 11/10/2010 at 01:28 PM, in message
> > <AANLkTink7COs0xpg5QRPxBajHRGfYfnghs2_xn1FBFLk@mail.gmail.com>, 
Garrett Cooper
> > <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> >>>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
> >>> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
> >>
> >> (retroactively as of yesterday)
> >> Going twice...
> >
> > I thought this was still being used by IBM in particular.  I know for 
a fact it has multiple issues with file versions, missing/changed updates 
etc.  Are you talking about removing the whole pounder tree?
> 
> Answering my own question:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
> , I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
> remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
> it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
> confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
> actually a test / test suite).

IBM still uses Pounder heavily for testing Distros. So, we can move it
to some other portion of the tree but still should be inside LTP.

Regards--
Subrata

> Thanks!
> -Garrett
> 
> 
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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Shubham Goyal]

Yes Iranna I agree with you and I also feel that "pounder21" tree should
not be removed from LTP. As you correctly said currently its difficult to
run LTP's pounder on stand alone systems due to some other helper files
dependency. I will try to address this problem ASAP and try to make pounder
run on stand alone systems without any other dependencies.  I have it in my
TODO list.

Thanks,
Shubham



                                                                           
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Oh yes, IBM (especially SystemX team) still uses pounder for distro
validation. The thing is we use couple of other customized pounder scripts
in addition to the ones present in the LTP's "pounder21" directory, so that
dependent config files are downloaded & logs are saved from/to our repo
server. Having said that, we still require LTP's "pounder21" tree. So
please DO NOT remove it.

However, I agree that current pounder of LTP has some compatibility issues,
thereby making it difficult to run independently on a stand alone system.
This needs to be addressed and is in TODO list of our new pounder
maintainer "Shubham Goyal (shubgoya@in.ibm.com)".

@Shubham, any comments?

Thanks!
-Iranna D Ankad
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On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:54 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com>
wrote:
> >>>> On 11/10/2010 at 01:28 PM, in message
> > <AANLkTink7COs0xpg5QRPxBajHRGfYfnghs2_xn1FBFLk@mail.gmail.com>, Garrett
Cooper
> > <yanegomi@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>    Hasn't compiled for a while, and looks pretty broken. If no one
> >>> objects to me removing it in 3 days I'll get rid of it.
> >>
> >> (retroactively as of yesterday)
> >> Going twice...
> >
> > I thought this was still being used by IBM in particular.  I know for a
fact it has multiple issues with file versions, missing/changed updates
etc.  Are you talking about removing the whole pounder tree?
>
> Answering my own question:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
> , I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
> remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
> it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
> confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
> actually a test / test suite).

IBM still uses Pounder heavily for testing Distros. So, we can move it
to some other portion of the tree but still should be inside LTP.

Regards--
Subrata

> Thanks!
> -Garrett
>
>
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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Garrett Cooper]

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Shubham Goyal <shubgoya@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> Yes Iranna I agree with you and I also feel that "pounder21" tree should
> not be removed from LTP. As you correctly said currently its difficult to
> run LTP's pounder on stand alone systems due to some other helper files
> dependency. I will try to address this problem ASAP and try to make pounder
> run on stand alone systems without any other dependencies.  I have it in my
> TODO list.

    Should it be moved to a separate module under LTP CVS?
Thanks,
-Garrett

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Subrata Modak]

On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 09:18 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Shubham Goyal <shubgoya@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> > Yes Iranna I agree with you and I also feel that "pounder21" tree should
> > not be removed from LTP. As you correctly said currently its difficult to
> > run LTP's pounder on stand alone systems due to some other helper files
> > dependency. I will try to address this problem ASAP and try to make pounder
> > run on stand alone systems without any other dependencies.  I have it in my
> > TODO list.
> 
>     Should it be moved to a separate module under LTP CVS?

I would prefer to keep it in git for the time being. Let it be where it is. We will not try to integrate it inside LTP root Makefile, so, configure/make/make install will not interfere with pounder21 directory. Once Subham comes wiht the patch for generic build/install we can integrate it to LTP Makefile then.

Since, the IBM distro test teams use both LTP and Pounder21, it would be much easier for them to access them from a single tarball :-)

Regards--
Subrata

> Thanks,
> -Garrett


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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Shubham Goyal]

Hi Garrett,
                  Our intention is that pounder21 tree should always be a
part of coming LTP tarball releases in the same directory where it is
sitting now. We have plans to use latest LTP for coming new distros and in
that case we will need pounder21 along with LTP.

So if you move pounder21 directory to a separate module under LTP CVS, will
it still fulfil our above requirement?

Thanks,
-Shubham



                                                                           
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On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Shubham Goyal <shubgoya@in.ibm.com> wrote:
> Yes Iranna I agree with you and I also feel that "pounder21" tree should
> not be removed from LTP. As you correctly said currently its difficult to
> run LTP's pounder on stand alone systems due to some other helper files
> dependency. I will try to address this problem ASAP and try to make
pounder
> run on stand alone systems without any other dependencies.  I have it in
my
> TODO list.

    Should it be moved to a separate module under LTP CVS?
Thanks,
-Garrett



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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[James Takahashi]

> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Answering my own question:
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
> > , I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
> > remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
> > it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
> > confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
> > actually a test / test suite).

Yeah, that was me.

I now understand that the LTP Makefile reorganization from earlier in
the year attempts to recursively build everything that lives under
'testcases' due to the (reasonable) assumption that everything in
'testcases' is a subtest to be executed under LTP control.

'pounder', however, is not a subtest to be executed under LTP control.
It is a separate test execution framework, and in fact, executes LTP's
'runltp' as a subtest within that framework.  This allows us to run
other standalone tests, test suites, and/or benchmarks along side LTP.

I agree that it would make sense to move pounder21 to some other place
in the tree.  At first glance, 'utils' looks like a reasonable spot.
Thoughts?

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] Remove testcases/pounder21

[Garrett Cooper]

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 5:43 PM, James Takahashi <takahash@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Murlin Wenzel <mwenzel@novell.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Answering my own question:
>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/ltp-list@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09788.html
>> > , I asked this earlier on this year and someone replied saying "don't
>> > remove it". If it's not removed and serves a particular purpose, maybe
>> > it should be moved to a different section of the tree to avoid
>> > confusion in the future (in particular if it's a framework and not
>> > actually a test / test suite).
>
> Yeah, that was me.
>
> I now understand that the LTP Makefile reorganization from earlier in
> the year attempts to recursively build everything that lives under
> 'testcases' due to the (reasonable) assumption that everything in
> 'testcases' is a subtest to be executed under LTP control.

    Well... it should be organized in such a way that testcases
logically should live in the right spot, tools in other spots, right?
FILTER_OUT_SUBDIRS is fine, but it's just annoying because things
weren't put in the correct spots to begin with. Other things haven't
been touched in ages. I'm trying to take care of these two items so
that the organization and relevance of LTP is better than it was
before.

> 'pounder', however, is not a subtest to be executed under LTP control.
> It is a separate test execution framework, and in fact, executes LTP's
> 'runltp' as a subtest within that framework.  This allows us to run
> other standalone tests, test suites, and/or benchmarks along side LTP.

    Which is why I suggested moving it into its own CVS module / git
repository / whatever. Logically this makes sense because:

a. Development is low traffic.
b. pounder executes LTP.
c. pounder isn't built with LTP.

    Thus, for anyone that needs to grab pounder they can check out the
module and build the sources / install the package / whatever, and no
one else needs to deal with the maintenance and upkeep of pounder when
all they want is LTP because they have their own test infrastructures
to deal with this stuff. My old group at Cisco never built and
integrated pounder into their test suite, and I would be skeptical of
how many folks outside of IBM use it.

> I agree that it would make sense to move pounder21 to some other place
> in the tree.  At first glance, 'utils' looks like a reasonable spot.
> Thoughts?

    Push comes to shove and enough IBM folks disagree, I guess... but
it seems like my argument makes more sense in the grand scheme of
things.
Thanks,
-Garrett

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