[LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Richard Palethorpe]

Hello,

I propose a meeting once a month to discuss non-technical things such as
patch review policy, overall direction and bike shed discussions. Anyone
is welcome who is interested in that.

Originally I thought just to include myself and some SUSE colleagues in
an ad-hoc meeting to deal with Reviewed-by tag delegation. However I
think the real problem is we have no LTP meeting in which to discuss
these things and chat. The ML is not adequate for this IMO.

For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.

The agenda for the first meeting would be to discuss how to deal with
the situation where someone reviews the V1 of a patch, but does not add
their Reviewed-by tag in subsequent versions.

After that just introductions, questions and anything someone would like
to bring up.

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Andrea Cervesato via ltp]

Hi!

I'm looking forward to participate this meeting. For me, any Monday or 
Wednesday would
be the best, possibly not between 22:00 and 9:00 as Richard suggested.

Thanks,
Andrea Cervesato

On 10/19/23 11:31, Richard Palethorpe wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I propose a meeting once a month to discuss non-technical things such as
> patch review policy, overall direction and bike shed discussions. Anyone
> is welcome who is interested in that.
>
> Originally I thought just to include myself and some SUSE colleagues in
> an ad-hoc meeting to deal with Reviewed-by tag delegation. However I
> think the real problem is we have no LTP meeting in which to discuss
> these things and chat. The ML is not adequate for this IMO.
>
> For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
> UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.
>
> The agenda for the first meeting would be to discuss how to deal with
> the situation where someone reviews the V1 of a patch, but does not add
> their Reviewed-by tag in subsequent versions.
>
> After that just introductions, questions and anything someone would like
> to bring up.
>


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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Petr Vorel]

Hi Richie,

> Hello,

> I propose a meeting once a month to discuss non-technical things such as
> patch review policy, overall direction and bike shed discussions. Anyone
> is welcome who is interested in that.

> Originally I thought just to include myself and some SUSE colleagues in
> an ad-hoc meeting to deal with Reviewed-by tag delegation. However I
> think the real problem is we have no LTP meeting in which to discuss
> these things and chat. The ML is not adequate for this IMO.

Good idea. Although we have ML, some things might be faster to discuss live.
I hope most of maintainers will have time for this.

> For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
> UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.

I'd also avoid weekend. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays I could manage to
have it in the morning, but other days probably after lunch. I wonder if other
people would prefer the afternoon (after working hours).

NOTE: We should not clash with Thursday OATS monthly call which is _second_
Thursday in month, 14 UTC (or 15 UTC?).

And which platform would you use?

Kind regards,
Petr

> The agenda for the first meeting would be to discuss how to deal with
> the situation where someone reviews the V1 of a patch, but does not add
> their Reviewed-by tag in subsequent versions.

> After that just introductions, questions and anything someone would like
> to bring up.

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Marius Kittler]

> And which platform would you use?

What about https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project ? I assume MS Teams would 
not be very appreciated in the kernel community (and I'm not even sure whether 
we could invite non-SUSE employees easily to those meetings).

Best Regards
Marius



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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Petr Vorel]

Hi Marius, all,

> > And which platform would you use?

> What about https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project ? I assume MS Teams would 
+1. In case it does not work properly for all, I'd try
https://meet.google.com/.

Kind regards,
Petr

> not be very appreciated in the kernel community (and I'm not even sure whether 
> we could invite non-SUSE employees easily to those meetings).
IMHO SUSE's Teams account is no-go for this.

Kind regards,
Petr

> Best Regards
> Marius

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Richard Palethorpe]

Hello,

Petr Vorel <pvorel@suse.cz> writes:

> Hi Marius, all,
>
>> > And which platform would you use?
>
>> What about https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project ? I assume MS Teams would 
> +1. In case it does not work properly for all, I'd try
> https://meet.google.com/.
>
> Kind regards,
> Petr
>
>> not be very appreciated in the kernel community (and I'm not even sure whether 
>> we could invite non-SUSE employees easily to those meetings).
> IMHO SUSE's Teams account is no-go for this.
>
> Kind regards,
> Petr
>
>> Best Regards
>> Marius

In the past we had some issues with Jitsi, but generally it has worked
fine for me. So I'm happy with this.

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Wei Gao via ltp]

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 10:31:10AM +0100, Richard Palethorpe wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I propose a meeting once a month to discuss non-technical things such as
> patch review policy, overall direction and bike shed discussions. Anyone
> is welcome who is interested in that.
> 
> Originally I thought just to include myself and some SUSE colleagues in
> an ad-hoc meeting to deal with Reviewed-by tag delegation. However I
> think the real problem is we have no LTP meeting in which to discuss
> these things and chat. The ML is not adequate for this IMO.
> 
> For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
> UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.
> 
> The agenda for the first meeting would be to discuss how to deal with
> the situation where someone reviews the V1 of a patch, but does not add
> their Reviewed-by tag in subsequent versions.
> 
> After that just introductions, questions and anything someone would like
> to bring up.
> 
Thanks for such good proposal!
09:00-12:00 is OK for me normally, also i can try best to join if time is more later.
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> Richard.
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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Cyril Hrubis]

Hi!
> For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
> UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.

As for me I can managed between 9:00 and 17:30 local time which is now
CEST (UTC+2) but is going to switch to CET (UTC+1) at the end of the
month, so I guess that we can just convert my range to 10:00 - 18:30
(UTC+1) to match what Ritchie wrote.

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Li Wang]

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 6:02 PM Richard Palethorpe <rpalethorpe@suse.de>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I propose a meeting once a month to discuss non-technical things such as
> patch review policy, overall direction and bike shed discussions. Anyone
> is welcome who is interested in that.
>
> Originally I thought just to include myself and some SUSE colleagues in
> an ad-hoc meeting to deal with Reviewed-by tag delegation. However I
> think the real problem is we have no LTP meeting in which to discuss
> these things and chat. The ML is not adequate for this IMO.
>
> For me any time and day would be fine excluding 22:00 to 09:00
> UTC/GMT. Probably Monday to Friday would be best for most.
>

+1

For me is (UTC + 8:00) available, I think it should be fine,
I always meet with European colleagues online. But I would
mark that as optional to me, to avoid conflict with other activities.

Btw, should we create a channel to talk in type first?

I have dropped use IRC for a period of time, maybe a channel
with chat history would be better. e.g. Slack or googlechat.



>
> The agenda for the first meeting would be to discuss how to deal with
> the situation where someone reviews the V1 of a patch, but does not add
> their Reviewed-by tag in subsequent versions.
>
> After that just introductions, questions and anything someone would like
> to bring up.
>
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> Thank you,
> Richard.
>
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>
>

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Cyril Hrubis]

Hi!
> For me is (UTC + 8:00) available, I think it should be fine,
> I always meet with European colleagues online. But I would
> mark that as optional to me, to avoid conflict with other activities.
> 
> Btw, should we create a channel to talk in type first?
> 
> I have dropped use IRC for a period of time, maybe a channel
> with chat history would be better. e.g. Slack or googlechat.

I'm kind of discouraged to run one more chat client on my machines. I
guess that in order to make things simpler if we are going to go for
another chat solution, it should include irc bridge, from that point of
view I would avoid Slack and googlechat.

Maybe we can try to set up matrix channel with IRC bridge, however I
have no idea if there is a suitable free server for that.

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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Richard Palethorpe]

Hello,

Cyril Hrubis <chrubis@suse.cz> writes:

> Hi!
>> For me is (UTC + 8:00) available, I think it should be fine,
>> I always meet with European colleagues online. But I would
>> mark that as optional to me, to avoid conflict with other activities.
>> 
>> Btw, should we create a channel to talk in type first?
>> 
>> I have dropped use IRC for a period of time, maybe a channel
>> with chat history would be better. e.g. Slack or googlechat.
>
> I'm kind of discouraged to run one more chat client on my machines. I
> guess that in order to make things simpler if we are going to go for
> another chat solution, it should include irc bridge, from that point of
> view I would avoid Slack and googlechat.
>
> Maybe we can try to set up matrix channel with IRC bridge, however I
> have no idea if there is a suitable free server for that.

I am already forced to use Discord by a couple of communities, it
supports text and voice, it's better than Slack, so that could be an
option to cover everything.


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Re: [LTP] [RFC] LTP open monthly meeting

[Li Wang]

> > Maybe we can try to set up matrix channel with IRC bridge, however I
> > have no idea if there is a suitable free server for that.
>
> I am already forced to use Discord by a couple of communities, it
> supports text and voice, it's better than Slack, so that could be an
> option to cover everything.
>

I keep an open mind for any community tool, no matter what
the recommended one for LTP, I would like to install it :-).


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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Richard Palethorpe]

Hello,

After reviewing the responses to the RFC I have come up with the
following meeting details.

Time and date: First Wednesday each month at 09:00 UTC.
Platform: https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project

The first meeting will be on the 1st of November at 09:00 UTC.

I haven't tried to address the lack of chat brought up by Li. I suggest
trying Jitsi and if there are issues then we go from there.

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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Li Wang]

Hi Richard,

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 6:53 PM Richard Palethorpe <rpalethorpe@suse.de>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> After reviewing the responses to the RFC I have come up with the
> following meeting details.
>
> Time and date: First Wednesday each month at 09:00 UTC.
> Platform: https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project
>
> The first meeting will be on the 1st of November at 09:00 UTC.
>
> I haven't tried to address the lack of chat brought up by Li. I suggest
> trying Jitsi and if there are issues then we go from there.
>

Thanks for coordinating this, looks good to me.

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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Richard Palethorpe]

Hello,

Thanks to everyone who attended the meeting. Some outcomes:

1. There were audio and connection issues with Jitsi, we should try
   something else next time

2. We'll make best efforts to chase reviewers for their tags, but we
   don't have a better solution for tracking contributions to review.

3. I'll be more aggressive in adding changes requested. Most of the
   responsibility is with contributors to remember to resubmit their own
   patches.

4. Petr vorel will move patchwork instances. We accept there will be
   issues caused by the changeover.

5. 30 minutes is good meeting time (IMO 15-30 minutes is fine)

6. We shall write down an agenda next time

Richard Palethorpe <rpalethorpe@suse.de> writes:

> Hello,
>
> After reviewing the responses to the RFC I have come up with the
> following meeting details.
>
> Time and date: First Wednesday each month at 09:00 UTC.
> Platform: https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project
>
> The first meeting will be on the 1st of November at 09:00 UTC.
>
> I haven't tried to address the lack of chat brought up by Li. I suggest
> trying Jitsi and if there are issues then we go from there.


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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Cyril Hrubis]

Hi!
> 3. I'll be more aggressive in adding changes requested. Most of the
                                ^
				In patchwork
>    responsibility is with contributors to remember to resubmit their own
>    patches.

I guess that it's not clear to anyone without the context.

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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Petr Vorel]

Hi all,

> Hello,

> Thanks to everyone who attended the meeting. Some outcomes:
Also thanks to all attenders.

> 1. There were audio and connection issues with Jitsi, we should try
>    something else next time

Could anybody test if meet from google works for him?
https://meet.google.com/udc-ncrs-wxx

Kind regards,
Petr

> 2. We'll make best efforts to chase reviewers for their tags, but we
>    don't have a better solution for tracking contributions to review.

> 3. I'll be more aggressive in adding changes requested. Most of the
>    responsibility is with contributors to remember to resubmit their own
>    patches.

> 4. Petr vorel will move patchwork instances. We accept there will be
>    issues caused by the changeover.

> 5. 30 minutes is good meeting time (IMO 15-30 minutes is fine)

> 6. We shall write down an agenda next time

> Richard Palethorpe <rpalethorpe@suse.de> writes:

> > Hello,

> > After reviewing the responses to the RFC I have come up with the
> > following meeting details.

> > Time and date: First Wednesday each month at 09:00 UTC.
> > Platform: https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project

> > The first meeting will be on the 1st of November at 09:00 UTC.

> > I haven't tried to address the lack of chat brought up by Li. I suggest
> > trying Jitsi and if there are issues then we go from there.

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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Jan Stancek]

On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 11:12 AM Petr Vorel <pvorel@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> > Hello,
>
> > Thanks to everyone who attended the meeting. Some outcomes:
> Also thanks to all attenders.
>
> > 1. There were audio and connection issues with Jitsi, we should try
> >    something else next time
>
> Could anybody test if meet from google works for him?
> https://meet.google.com/udc-ncrs-wxx

I tried, it's waiting for someone to let me in.
But I don't expect issues (at least for me/Li), we do use it internally.

>
> Kind regards,
> Petr
>
> > 2. We'll make best efforts to chase reviewers for their tags, but we
> >    don't have a better solution for tracking contributions to review.
>
> > 3. I'll be more aggressive in adding changes requested. Most of the
> >    responsibility is with contributors to remember to resubmit their own
> >    patches.
>
> > 4. Petr vorel will move patchwork instances. We accept there will be
> >    issues caused by the changeover.
>
> > 5. 30 minutes is good meeting time (IMO 15-30 minutes is fine)
>
> > 6. We shall write down an agenda next time
>
> > Richard Palethorpe <rpalethorpe@suse.de> writes:
>
> > > Hello,
>
> > > After reviewing the responses to the RFC I have come up with the
> > > following meeting details.
>
> > > Time and date: First Wednesday each month at 09:00 UTC.
> > > Platform: https://meet.jit.si/linux-test-project
>
> > > The first meeting will be on the 1st of November at 09:00 UTC.
>
> > > I haven't tried to address the lack of chat brought up by Li. I suggest
> > > trying Jitsi and if there are issues then we go from there.
>
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Re: [LTP] Open monthly meeting 1st of November 09:00 UTC

[Petr Vorel]

> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 11:12 AM Petr Vorel <pvorel@suse.cz> wrote:

> > Hi all,

> > > Hello,

> > > Thanks to everyone who attended the meeting. Some outcomes:
> > Also thanks to all attenders.

> > > 1. There were audio and connection issues with Jitsi, we should try
> > >    something else next time

> > Could anybody test if meet from google works for him?
> > https://meet.google.com/udc-ncrs-wxx

> I tried, it's waiting for someone to let me in.
> But I don't expect issues (at least for me/Li), we do use it internally.

Great, thank you, Jan.

Kind regards,
Petr

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