[mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back to sender

[mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back to sender

[Moritz Wilhelmy]

Hi (again),

having a special version of a list where the post doesn't get sent back to the
sender would be nice, as not everyone likes getting their mails twice. However,
some people (like me) like it (because it's easier to detect what's going on
and if the post was accepted, rejected or what else might have happened, also
because you can look at the headers for information), so it would be nice to
have this as a special version of the list instead of a global list option.
Someone complained about this to me today, and I guess he had a valid point.
I guess it isn't easy to find a good balance between lightweight and bloated,
but as long as the MLM isn't controlled mainly through a web interface and
starts sending monthly password reminders, everything should be okay.

Sorry for requesting "bloat-ups" all the time ;)


Best regards,

Moritz

Re: [mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back

[Lukas Fleischer]

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 04:48:17PM +0100, Moritz Wilhelmy wrote:
> having a special version of a list where the post doesn't get sent back to the
> sender would be nice, as not everyone likes getting their mails twice. However,
> some people (like me) like it (because it's easier to detect what's going on
> and if the post was accepted, rejected or what else might have happened, also
> because you can look at the headers for information), so it would be nice to
> have this as a special version of the list instead of a global list option.
> Someone complained about this to me today, and I guess he had a valid point.
> I guess it isn't easy to find a good balance between lightweight and bloated,
> but as long as the MLM isn't controlled mainly through a web interface and
> starts sending monthly password reminders, everything should be okay.

Why would someone get mails twice? Do you mean having the mail in some
outgoing mailbox as well as in the mailing list inbox? I guess this is
desired and useful in almost all cases (especially when having an MUA
that supports threading) and I can't imagine a reason to do it
differently (except from broken MUAs and hard bandwidth limits).

Also, wouldn't configuring the end user's MDA to deliver ML mails
originating from oneself to "/dev/null" be a sane workaround?

Re: [mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back

[Moritz Wilhelmy]

Hi Lukas,

On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 05:13:07PM +0100, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> Why would someone get mails twice? Do you mean having the mail in some
> outgoing mailbox as well as in the mailing list inbox?

Yes.

> I guess this is desired and useful in almost all cases (especially when
> having an MUA that supports threading) and I can't imagine a reason to do it
> differently (except from broken MUAs and hard bandwidth limits).

Yes, but some people have different opinions on this. I don't know why he wants
this, I guess because mailman also does it, or supports it when configured
accordingly.

> Also, wouldn't configuring the end user's MDA to deliver ML mails
> originating from oneself to "/dev/null" be a sane workaround?

I usually append them to /dev/null in the Fcc-hook and keep only the copy
received from the MLM. A workaround is still a workaround. Rather than setting
this in 100 subscriber-MDAs, it might be easier to have support for this in the
MLM.

Well, anyway, thank you. You have some valid points there :)


Best regards,

Moritz

Re: [mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back

[Ben Schmidt]

> having a special version of a list where the post doesn't get sent back to the
> sender would be nice, as not everyone likes getting their mails twice. However,
> some people (like me) like it (because it's easier to detect what's going on
> and if the post was accepted, rejected or what else might have happened, also
> because you can look at the headers for information), so it would be nice to
> have this as a special version of the list instead of a global list option.
> Someone complained about this to me today, and I guess he had a valid point.
> I guess it isn't easy to find a good balance between lightweight and bloated,
> but as long as the MLM isn't controlled mainly through a web interface and
> starts sending monthly password reminders, everything should be okay.

A 'global option' implementation of this is in version control (it was
one of my priorities when choosing an MLM, and since Mlmmj ticked most
other boxes, I chose to use Mlmmj and implement that feature myself). It
will be in 1.2.18 when it finally gets out, hopefully soon.... I use it
in production and it seems to work fine.

I agree, it's a personal preference thing, though, so it would be good
for users to be able to choose for themselves whether they want this.

I get around it by subscribing to the list with a different email to
that which I post from, since I'm pretty much the only person on the
list who likes to see the echoes.

A special version of the list is an interesting thought. That might be a
way to quickly offer that functionality before we get more per-user
options/data supported. Though perhaps it's better to wait for more
per-user options to do this, which is what I was intending.

Ben.

Re: [mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back

[Lukas Fleischer]

On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:21:44AM +1100, Ben Schmidt wrote:
> A 'global option' implementation of this is in version control (it was
> one of my priorities when choosing an MLM, and since Mlmmj ticked most
> other boxes, I chose to use Mlmmj and implement that feature myself). It
> will be in 1.2.18 when it finally gets out, hopefully soon.... I use it
> in production and it seems to work fine.
> 
> I agree, it's a personal preference thing, though, so it would be good
> for users to be able to choose for themselves whether they want this.
> 
> I get around it by subscribing to the list with a different email to
> that which I post from, since I'm pretty much the only person on the
> list who likes to see the echoes.

Doesn't that mean you'll need to unset "subonlypost"? Imho,
"subonlypost" is a kinda efficient mechanism against spam mails.

> A special version of the list is an interesting thought. That might be a
> way to quickly offer that functionality before we get more per-user
> options/data supported. Though perhaps it's better to wait for more
> per-user options to do this, which is what I was intending.

Yes, if that was implemented, it should be a per-user setting.

Re: [mlmmj] Special version of list where post doesn't get sent back

[Ben Schmidt]

On 10/03/11 4:29 AM, Lukas Fleischer wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 11:21:44AM +1100, Ben Schmidt wrote:
>> A 'global option' implementation of this is in version control (it was
>> one of my priorities when choosing an MLM, and since Mlmmj ticked most
>> other boxes, I chose to use Mlmmj and implement that feature myself). It
>> will be in 1.2.18 when it finally gets out, hopefully soon.... I use it
>> in production and it seems to work fine.
>>
>> I agree, it's a personal preference thing, though, so it would be good
>> for users to be able to choose for themselves whether they want this.
>>
>> I get around it by subscribing to the list with a different email to
>> that which I post from, since I'm pretty much the only person on the
>> list who likes to see the echoes.
>
> Doesn't that mean you'll need to unset "subonlypost"? Imho,
> "subonlypost" is a kinda efficient mechanism against spam mails.

No, the address I post from is subscribed to the nomail version, and the
address I use to collect mail is subscribed to the normal version. Since
I use Thunderbird to read all my mail, the setup is not too
inconvenient.

Ben.