Re: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft

[Ben Schmidt <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>]

mlmmj-maintd should leave the bounce in the bounce subdir, and send a probe. If it 
gets no bounce for the probe for a while, it will remove the bounce assuming the 
user is no longer bouncing. If it does get a bounce to the probe, it will continue 
probing for a while, but eventually unsubscribe the user for bouncing for too long.

I think some of the amounts of time it takes to do these things are currently 
hard-coded. One day this will be fixed, but it's fairly low on the priority list.

It is possible that if you unsubscribe a user manually, Mlmmj will keep probing 
them. If that does happen, it's a bug, I suppose, and should be fixed.

Ben.



On 15/12/13 9:44 PM, Christian Gleerup wrote:
 > Hello Ben
 >
 > I was a bit impation, and manually deleted those in the bounce folder. (currently
 > a bit paranoid about getting trappend in Microsofts spam list again).
 >
 > Regarding mlmmj-maintd, it is scheduled to run every second hour, and I also tried
 > to run it manually (without a lot of waiting tough)
 > mlmmj-maind is setup in cron.d/mlmmj almost identical to the sample on mlmmj's
 > website.
 >
 > 0 */2 * * * root /usr/bin/test -x /usr/bin/mlmmj-maintd && /usr/bin/mlmmj-maintd
 > -F -d /var/spool/mlmmj
 >
 > On the other hand, I don't really understand how mlmmj-maintd works in the
 > following case:
 >
 > 1) mlmmj sends a mail to a some subscriber
 >
 > 2) the recipent sends 550, non-existing user.
 >
 > 3) I manually parse the 'bounce files' and identify the '550, non-existing user'
 >
 > 4) I manully unsubscribe the 'non-existing user' from command line
 >
 > ---> at this point, I would expect no more mails getting queued since the user is
 > no longer subscriber?
 >
 > * I would expect mlmmj to either remove the mail from the bounce list when
 > unsubscribing, or to remove it on the Next mlmmj-maintd run since it is no longer
 > a subscriber.
 >
 > if mlmmj sends a probe for 'removal' detection, isn't it going to stay in the
 > bounce directory as long as the server responds with 550?
 >
 > Is there something I am missing?
 >
 > kind regards
 >
 > Christian
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 >  > From: "Ben Schmidt" <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>
 >  > To: "Christian Gleerup" <christian.gleerup@swn.nu>
 >  > Date: 15/12/2013 02:09
 >  > Subject: Re: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft
 >  >
 >  > Hi, Christian,
 >  >
 >  > Mlmmj-maintd should clean it; it will send a probe, wait a while in case
 >  > a bounce comes back, and if it doesn't, it will remove the bounce. If
 >  > everything is working properly....
 >  >
 >  > Ben.
 >  >
 >  >
 >  >
 >  > On 14/12/13 5:11 AM, Christian Gleerup wrote:
 >  > > iw_mail p{margin:0;padding:0;}
 >  > > Hello list
 >  > >
 >  > > I can gladly inform you that my server has finally been allowed to send to
 > Microsoft Again.
 >  > >
 >  > > Yesterday i manually removed a bunch of email addresses where Microsoft
 > servers had responded 550.
 >  > > I removed via command line.
 >  > >
 >  > > but now when i look in the '.../list/bounce' folder, all the addresses are
 > still there.
 >  > > is mlmmj going to clean up here or should I remove them manually?
 >  > >
 >  > > I can see postfix is still trying to deliver the mails
 >  > >
 >  > > kind regards
 >  > > Christian
 >  > >
 >  > > -----Original Message-----
 >  > >> From: "Ben Schmidt" <mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au
 > <mailto:mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au>>
 >  > >> To: "Christian Gleerup" <christian.gleerup@swn.nu
 > <mailto:christian.gleerup@swn.nu>>, mlmmj@mlmmj.org <mailto:mlmmj@mlmmj.org>
 >  > >> Date: 03/12/2013 22:19
 >  > >> Subject: Re: [mlmmj] Problems with microsoft
 >  > >>
 >  > >> On 4/12/13 6:35 AM, Christian Gleerup wrote:
 >  > >>> I have now updated to 1.2.18, and id did take some time to get the
 >  > >>> list texts right, but it seems to be worken fine now. (I did a make
 >  > >>> install, and then moved the installed binaries since the old binaries
 >  > >>> was installed in a different location)
 >  > >>
 >  > >> Perhaps you wanted to give the --prefix argument to configure or
 >  > >> something. Nevertheless, I'm sure what you did will have worked fine.
 >  > >>
 >  > >>> But obviously I still have the problem with sending to hotmail
 >  > >>> accounts since that is a different problem... but as i noted in
 >  > >>> another mail, hotmail did, when they accepted mails from me, tell me
 >  > >>> to take it easy with sending that many mails in a little period of
 >  > >>> time.
 >  > >>>
 >  > >>> so the question is, how can i tell mlmmj+postfix to only deliver x
 >  > >>> mails pr. hour to the hotmail domain?
 >  > >>
 >  > >> I think this is something that should be done at the MTA level, not via
 >  > >> Mlmmj. Multiple mailing lists and any other mail routed through the
 >  > >> server will all contribute to Hotmail's limit, so only Postfix as the
 >  > >> central point of control has enough information to enforce rate
 >  > >> limiting. A quick Google turns up this, which should give you a starting
 >  > >> point for investigation:
 >  > >>
 >  > >> http://steam.io/2013/04/01/postfix-rate-limiting/
 >  > >>
 >  > >>> Also, It will be interesting to see if mlmmj unsubscribes those
 >  > >>> subscribers after bouncelife (\x15 days)  with the accounts from the
 >  > >>> domain that was taken down 2009.
 >  > >>
 >  > >> Indeed, it will. If not, something is broken somewhere, and we will have
 >  > >> to investigate further....
 >  > >>
 >  > >> Smiles,
 >  > >>
 >  > >> Ben.
 >  > >
 >  > >
 >  > >
 >  > >
 >  > >
 >  > >