From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "webmaster@vlsc.org" Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:30:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [mlmmj] testing mlmmj using Sendmail on a CentOS server Message-Id: <54418A6F.3000105@vlsc.org> MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060808010207050709070604" List-Id: References: <54356DBC.9020609@vlsc.org> In-Reply-To: <54356DBC.9020609@vlsc.org> To: mlmmj@mlmmj.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060808010207050709070604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) It was a PITB to get this figured out, so I did take the time to write it up, in case it would help someone else down the road. I agree that sendmail isn't necessarily a good choice to start with, but it's still the default MTA on a lot of canned virtual servers that are made available - like the one we use from eapps.com - so I didn't want to wade into changing something that was already otherwise working Ok on the server (and supported by eapps.com). In hindsight it might have been easier to simply get Postfix or Exim installed and running, but hindsight is always 20-20 :) Philip On 10/17/2014 1:41 PM, Ben Schmidt wrote: >> Have been away for a while. The following are some facts about my >> system setup : >> >> openSUSE 12.3 : Sendmail 8.14.5-85.1.2 >> >> The config files are located /usr/share/sendmail, so cd to there >> >> README has the following : >> LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS [eu9] The flags used by the shell mailer. The >> flags lsDFMoq are always included. > > The Mlmmj reference for this is > which suggests setting LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS to 'eu9P' (i.e. the default, > plus 'P'). > > A Sendmail reference for what the flags mean is > > >> cd feature/; grep LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS * shows : >> msp.m4:define(`LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS', `lmDFMuXk5')dnl >> >> Note the absence of a 'P' in the README reference - and the >> disconcerting use of >> flags in file msp.m4 that are not noted in the README. > > Googling suggests the 'msp' feature is the 'mail submission program'. I > have no idea why it's defining LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS, but I also know next > to nothing about m4 or Sendmail (and have no real inclination to learn > more), so for all I know, it could be a different scope. > >> So where is the all important Return-Path documented and set? I have >> 'grep -i >> return-path *' till I am blue in the face and have not found anything >> that helps >> me. > > It took me quite a while to find the references above, too.... > Sendmail's documentation is pretty esoteric. I feel like unless you > already know what you're looking for, you don't know where to even look > for it.... I vastly prefer Postfix and Exim, both of which I have set up > in very little time, including with Mlmmj. In my experience, Qmail and > Sendmail are both significantly harder to get working, and if there's > any real benefit once they're up and running, it's lost on me! > > Smiles, > > Ben. > > > > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8407 - Release Date: 10/17/14 > > --------------060808010207050709070604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cloud.vlsc.org id s9HLXeOA012231 :) It was a PITB to get this figured out, so I did take the time to write it up, in case it would help someone else down the road.

I agree that sendmail isn't necessarily a good choice to start with, but it's still the default MTA on a lot of canned virtual servers that are made available - like the one we use from eapps.com - so I didn't want to wade into changing something that was already otherwise working Ok on the server (and supported by eapps.com).=A0

In hindsight it might have been easier to simply get Postfix or Exim installed and running, but hindsight is always 20-20 :)

Philip
On 10/17/2014 1:41 PM, Ben Schmidt wrote:
Have been away for a while. The following are some facts about my
system setup :

openSUSE 12.3 : Sendmail 8.14.5-85.1.2

The config files are located /usr/share/sendmail, so cd to there

README has the following :
LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [eu9] The flags used by the s= hell mailer.=A0 The
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0 flags lsDFMoq are always included.

The Mlmmj reference for this is <http://mlmmj.org/docs/readme-sendmail/>
which suggests setting LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS to 'eu9P' (i.e. the default,
plus 'P').

A Sendmail reference for what the flags mean is
<http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc= 8.8/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4>

cd feature/; grep LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS * shows :
msp.m4:define(`LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS', `lmDFMuXk5')dnl

Note the absence of a 'P' in the README reference - and the disconcerting use of
flags in file msp.m4 that are not noted in the README.

Googling suggests the 'msp' feature is the 'mail submission program'. I
have no idea why it's defining LOCAL_SHELL_FLAGS, but I also know next
to nothing about m4 or Sendmail (and have no real inclination to learn
more), so for all I know, it could be a different scope.

So where is the all important Return-Path documented and set? I have 'grep -i
return-path *' till I am blue in the face and have not found anything that helps
me. <sigh>

It took me quite a while to find the references above, too....
Sendmail's documentation is pretty esoteric. I feel like unless you
already know what you're looking for, you don't know where to even look
for it.... I vastly prefer Postfix and Exim, both of which I have set up
in very little time, including with Mlmmj. In my experience, Qmail and
Sendmail are both significantly harder to get working, and if there's
any real benefit once they're up and running, it's lost on me!

Smiles,

Ben.







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