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From: "Jiawen Wu" <jiawenwu@trustnetic.com>
To: "'Russell King \(Oracle\)'" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <jarkko.nikula@linux.intel.com>,
	<andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	<mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>, <jsd@semihalf.com>,
	<Jose.Abreu@synopsys.com>, <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	<hkallweit1@gmail.com>, <oe-kbuild-all@lists.linux.dev>,
	<linux-i2c@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-gpio@vger.kernel.org>,
	<mengyuanlou@net-swift.com>,
	"'Piotr Raczynski'" <piotr.raczynski@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH net-next v9 5/9] net: txgbe: Add SFP module identify
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 18:11:42 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <047f01d993a8$4c4465c0$e4cd3140$@trustnetic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZHcXvFvR3H8Vmyok@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 5:48 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 04:40:36PM +0800, Jiawen Wu wrote:
> > On Monday, May 29, 2023 10:06 AM, Jiawen Wu wrote:
> > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 7:37 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 07:30:45PM +0800, kernel test robot wrote:
> > > > > Kconfig warnings: (for reference only)
> > > > >    WARNING: unmet direct dependencies detected for I2C_DESIGNWARE_PLATFORM
> > > > >    Depends on [n]: I2C [=n] && HAS_IOMEM [=y] && (ACPI && COMMON_CLK [=y] || !ACPI)
> > > > >    Selected by [y]:
> > > > >    - TXGBE [=y] && NETDEVICES [=y] && ETHERNET [=y] && NET_VENDOR_WANGXUN [=y] && PCI [=y]
> > > > >    WARNING: unmet direct dependencies detected for SFP
> > > > >    Depends on [n]: NETDEVICES [=y] && PHYLIB [=y] && I2C [=n] && PHYLINK [=y] && (HWMON [=n] || HWMON [=n]=n)
> > > > >    Selected by [y]:
> > > > >    - TXGBE [=y] && NETDEVICES [=y] && ETHERNET [=y] && NET_VENDOR_WANGXUN [=y] && PCI [=y]
> > > >
> > > > ... and is basically caused by "select SFP". No. Do not do this unless
> > > > you look at the dependencies for SFP and ensure that those are also
> > > > satisfied - because if you don't you create messes like the above
> > > > build errors.
> > >
> > > So how do I make sure that the module I need compiles and loads correctly,
> > > rely on the user to manually select it?
> >
> > When I changed the TXGBE config to:
> > ...
> > 	depends on SFP
> > 	select PCS_XPCS
> > ...
> > the compilation gave an error:
> >
> > drivers/net/phy/Kconfig:16:error: recursive dependency detected!
> > drivers/net/phy/Kconfig:16:     symbol PHYLIB is selected by PHYLINK
> > drivers/net/phy/Kconfig:6:      symbol PHYLINK is selected by PCS_XPCS
> > drivers/net/pcs/Kconfig:8:      symbol PCS_XPCS is selected by TXGBE
> > drivers/net/ethernet/wangxun/Kconfig:40:        symbol TXGBE depends on SFP
> > drivers/net/phy/Kconfig:63:     symbol SFP depends on PHYLIB
> > For a resolution refer to Documentation/kbuild/kconfig-language.rst
> > subsection "Kconfig recursive dependency limitations"
> >
> > Seems deleting "depends on SFP" is the correct way. But is this normal?
> > How do we ensure the dependency between TXGBE and SFP?
> 
> First, I would do this:
> 
> 	select PHYLINK
> 	select PCS_XPCS
> 
> but then I'm principled, and I don't agree that PCS_XPCS should be
> selecting PHYLINK.
> 
> The second thing I don't particularly like is selecting user visible
> symbols, but as I understand it, with TXGBE, the SFP slot is not an
> optional feature, so there's little option.
> 
> So, because SFP requires I2C:
> 
> 	select I2C
> 	select SFP
> 
> That is basically what I meant by "you look at the dependencies for
> SFP and ensure that those are also satisfied".
> 
> Adding that "select I2C" also solves the unmet dependencies for
> I2C_DESIGNWARE_PLATFORM.
> 
> However, even with that, we're not done with the evilness of select,
> because there's one more permitted configuration combination that
> will break.
> 
> If you build TXGBE into the kernel, that will force SFP=y, I2C=y,
> PHYLINK=y, PHYLIB=y. So far so good. However, if HWMON=m, then things
> will again break. So I would also suggest:
> 
> 	select HWMON if TXGBE=y
> 
> even though you don't require it, it solves the build fallout from
> where HWMON=m but you force SFP=y.
> 
> Maybe someone else has better ideas how to do this, but the above is
> the best I can come up with.
> 
> 
> IMHO, select is nothing but pure evil, and should be used with utmost
> care and a full understanding of its ramifications, and a realisation
> that it *totally* and *utterly* blows away any "depends on" on the
> target of the select statement.
> 
> An option that states that it depends on something else generally does
> because... oddly enough, it _depends_ on that other option. So, if
> select forces an option on without its dependencies, then it's not
> surprising that stuff fails to build.
> 
> Whenever a select statement is added, one must _always_ look at the
> target symbol and consider any "depends on" there, and how to ensure
> that those dependencies are guaranteed to always be satisfied.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'll check each of the required options,
and use "depends on" whenever possible.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-31 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-24  9:17 [PATCH net-next v9 0/9] TXGBE PHYLINK support Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 1/9] net: txgbe: Add software nodes to support phylink Jiawen Wu
2023-05-27  8:44   ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-30  6:11     ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-30 10:45       ` andy.shevchenko
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 2/9] i2c: designware: Add driver support for Wangxun 10Gb NIC Jiawen Wu
2023-05-27  8:36   ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 3/9] net: txgbe: Register fixed rate clock Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24 12:17   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 4/9] net: txgbe: Register I2C platform device Jiawen Wu
2023-05-26  9:35   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-27  8:38   ` Andy Shevchenko
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 5/9] net: txgbe: Add SFP module identify Jiawen Wu
2023-05-26 11:30   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-26 11:36     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-29  2:06       ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-30  8:40         ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-31  9:19           ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-31  9:47           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-31 10:11             ` Jiawen Wu [this message]
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 6/9] net: txgbe: Support GPIO to SFP socket Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24 12:51   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-24 13:07     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 7/9] net: pcs: Add 10GBASE-R mode for Synopsys Designware XPCS Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 8/9] net: txgbe: Implement phylink pcs Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24 12:53   ` Andrew Lunn
2023-05-26  4:14   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-05-26  6:21     ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-26  8:43       ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-26  9:01         ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-26  9:07           ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-26  9:22             ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-26  9:37               ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-26 10:42                 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2023-05-29  1:57                   ` Jiawen Wu
2023-05-24  9:17 ` [PATCH net-next v9 9/9] net: txgbe: Support phylink MAC layer Jiawen Wu

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