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From: "Jiawen Wu" <jiawenwu@trustnetic.com>
To: "'Russell King \(Oracle\)'" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'Mengyuan Lou'" <mengyuanlou@net-swift.com>,
	"'Andrew Lunn'" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"'David S. Miller'" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"'Eric Dumazet'" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"'Jakub Kicinski'" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"'Paolo Abeni'" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"'Simon Horman'" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"'Jacob Keller'" <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	"'Abdun Nihaal'" <abdun.nihaal@gmail.com>,
	<stable@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"'Mengyuan Lou'" <mengyuanlou@net-swift.com>,
	"'Andrew Lunn'" <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"'David S. Miller'" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"'Eric Dumazet'" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"'Jakub Kicinski'" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"'Paolo Abeni'" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"'Simon Horman'" <horms@kernel.org>,
	"'Jacob Keller'" <jacob.e.keller@intel.com>,
	"'Abdun Nihaal'" <abdun.nihaal@gmail.com>,
	<stable@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH net] net: txgbe: fix RTNL assertion warning when remove module
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2026 16:07:22 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <096e01dcc665$90354900$b09fdb00$@trustnetic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <adS0_I_2HBH-gM19@shell.armlinux.org.uk>

On Tue, Apr 7, 2026 3:41 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 02:27:34PM +0800, Jiawen Wu wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2026 2:22 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2026 at 10:16:34AM +0800, Jiawen Wu wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 9:08 PM, Russell King (Oracle) wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2026 at 03:11:07PM +0800, Jiawen Wu wrote:
> > > > > > For the copper NIC with external PHY, the driver called
> > > > > > phylink_connect_phy() during probe and phylink_disconnect_phy() during
> > > > > > remove. It caused an RTNL assertion warning in phylink_disconnect_phy()
> > > > > > upon module remove.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To fix this, move the phylink connect/disconnect PHY to ndo_open/close.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't it be simpler to just wrap the phylink_disconnect_phy() in the
> > > > > remove function with rtnl_lock()..rtnl_unlock() ?
> > > >
> > > > This is also a solution. But I think it would be nice to unify with other drivers
> > > > that call the functions in ndo_open/close.
> > >
> > > Both approaches are equally valid. Some network drivers attach the PHY
> > > at probe time (and thus can return -EPROBE_DEFER if the PHY is specified
> > > but not present). Others attach in .ndo_open which can only fail in this
> > > circumstance with no retry without userspace manually implementing that.
> > >
> > > There are other advantages and disadvantages to each approach.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > So is it still recommended that add rtnl_lock()...rtnl_unlock() instead of moving it?
> 
> The reaosn phylink_disconnect_phy() requires the RTNL lock is because it
> _can_ be called while the netdev is published, and the RTNL lock
> protects the networking core from the PHY being removed from the netdev,
> preventing ethtool ops into the PHY driver from running concurrently
> with the PHY's disconnection and potential later destruction.
> 
> Offering two APIs, one which requires the lock to provide that
> protection and one which doesn't would over-complicate the phylink code
> and make reviews way more difficult, as we'd now have to spot the
> wrong function being used in the wrong code path.
> 
> It's simpler for drivers that want to connect and disconnect the PHY
> at probe/remove time for them to just take the RTNL lock briefly over
> the call to phylink_disconnect_phy().
> 
> There is no "recommendation" for connecting and disconnecting the
> PHY at probe/remove time vs ndo_open/ndo_release. That's entirely up
> to the driver author. As I've already said, there are advantages and
> disadvantages of either way and that's a matter for the driver author
> to consider and select the most appropriate choice for their driver.

OK. I'll change it at v2 patch.


      reply	other threads:[~2026-04-07  8:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-31  7:11 [PATCH net] net: txgbe: fix RTNL assertion warning when remove module Jiawen Wu
2026-03-31 13:00 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-03-31 13:07 ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-04-01  2:16   ` Jiawen Wu
2026-04-01  6:21     ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-04-07  6:27       ` Jiawen Wu
2026-04-07  7:40         ` Russell King (Oracle)
2026-04-07  8:07           ` Jiawen Wu [this message]

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