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From: Tim Gardner <timg@tpi.com>
To: "YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明" <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>
Cc: pekkas@netcore.fi, laforge@gnumonks.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH + RFC] neighbour/ARP cache scalability
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 10:39:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095784761.3934.52.camel@tim.rtg.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040922.010428.104988024.yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>

On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 10:04, YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明 wrote:
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0409211856260.9906-100000@netcore.fi> (at Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:58:05 +0300 (EEST)), Pekka Savola <pekkas@netcore.fi> says:
> 
> > This still doesn't take a stance on rate-limiting the ND/ARP packets,
> > in case that there still is enough memory, but some kind of attack is
> > clearly underway.  Should it still be done?  Consider 100Kpps of
> > router-generated ARP/ND probes -- not good!
> 

Detecting an attack would require some kind of heuristic in the core
router code. I believe that logic is better suited for an iptables
filter. Why burden well guarded machines that are unikely to experience
this kind of attack? I think the only thing NUD should do is limit the
absolute number of NUD entries that it can create. Give it a sysctl knob
for large networks, but make the default something reasonable (like
2K).  

I've developed a variant of the Port Scan Detector (PSD) iptables filter
that combats this very problem. It only allows so many destination
IP/Port pairs from a given address to be opened over time. This limits
the rate at which connections can be opened as well as the absolute
number. For example, on my edge routers I set the policy that no single
IP source address can create more then 64 connections within a 30 second
sliding window. This has made a huge impact on the ARP storms that our
network used to experience.

rtg

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-21 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-20 22:51 [PATCH + RFC] neighbour/ARP cache scalability Harald Welte
2004-09-21  6:29 ` David S. Miller
2004-09-21  7:04 ` Andre Tomt
2004-09-21  7:37 ` Robert Olsson
2004-09-21  8:58 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-21 11:19 ` Pekka Savola
2004-09-21 13:49   ` Harald Welte
2004-09-21 14:10     ` Pekka Savola
2004-09-21 15:14     ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-09-21 15:36       ` Robert Olsson
2004-09-21 15:59         ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-09-21 15:58       ` Pekka Savola
2004-09-21 16:04         ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2004-09-21 16:39           ` Tim Gardner [this message]
2004-09-21 17:31             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-21 17:58               ` Tim Gardner
2004-09-21 18:15                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-21 20:34                   ` Harald Welte
2004-09-21 20:58                     ` Tim Gardner
2004-09-22  1:14                       ` Harald Welte
2004-09-22  3:31 ` David S. Miller
2004-09-22 11:14   ` Harald Welte
2004-09-24  5:53     ` David S. Miller
2004-09-24  7:14     ` Glen Turner
2004-09-24  5:47   ` David S. Miller

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