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From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Dmitry Yusupov <dmitry_yus@yahoo.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	mpm@selenic.com, andrea@suse.de, michaelc@cs.wisc.edu,
	open-iscsi@googlegroups.com, ksummit-2005-discuss@thunk.org,
	netdev <netdev@oss.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics
Date: 29 Mar 2005 18:00:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112137210.1088.17.camel@jzny.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0503291659290.15625@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 17:00, Rik van Riel wrote:

>   However, we often will need
> to get the packets off the network card before we can decide
> whether or not they're high priority.

True - although one could argue that with NAPI that decision would be a
few opcodes away if you install the ingress qdisc. 
So you may end up allocing only to free a few cycles later. Increased
memory traffic but the discard happens sufficiently early for a s/ware
only solution and CPU cycles not burnt as much.

OTOH, even elcheapo pacific rim nics are beginning to show up with some
classifiers in the hardware as well as multiple queues or rx 
DMA rings. So you could program ACKs or all TCP packets to show up on a
higher priority ring and only process that until theres nothing left
before processing the low priority ring (i.e dont care if low priority
data/app is starved).
Probably someone going out of their way to do high performance iSCSI
would consider such hardware. 
We dont exactly support multiple rx (or tx) DMA rings however various
people seem to be promising patches that work with their hardware
(netiron, intel?)

> Also, there can be multiple high priority sockets, and we
> need to ensure they all make progress.  Hence the mempool
> idea.

Sorry missed the early part of this thread: mempool is some
strict priority scheme for mem allocation?

For Sockets: If there was a "control" arbitrator preferably in user
space which would install - after a socket open - both network ingress
and/or egress rules for prioritization then wouldnt that suffice?
The mechanisms are already in place today.

cheers,
jamal

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-29 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4241D106.8050302@cs.wisc.edu>
     [not found] ` <20050324101622S.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]   ` <1111628393.1548.307.camel@beastie>
     [not found]     ` <20050324113312W.fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
     [not found]       ` <1111633846.1548.318.camel@beastie>
     [not found]         ` <20050324215922.GT14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]           ` <424346FE.20704@cs.wisc.edu>
     [not found]             ` <20050324233921.GZ14202@opteron.random>
     [not found]               ` <20050325034341.GV32638@waste.org>
     [not found]                 ` <20050327035149.GD4053@g5.random>
2005-03-27  5:48                   ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Matt Mackall
2005-03-27  6:04                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27  6:38                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 14:50                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-27  6:33                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  7:05                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27  7:57                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27  8:18                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:26                               ` Mike Christie
2005-03-27 18:31                                 ` David S. Miller
2005-03-27 19:58                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-27 21:49                                   ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 18:47                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-27 21:14                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                         ` <20050327211506.85EDA16022F6@mx1.suse.de>
2005-03-28  0:15                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28  3:54                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  4:34                           ` David S. Miller
2005-03-28  4:50                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-28  6:58                           ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-28 16:12                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-28 16:22                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-28 16:24                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 15:11                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:29                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 17:03                                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-28 16:28                             ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 15:20                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 15:56                                 ` James Bottomley
2005-03-29 17:19                                 ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-29 21:08                                   ` jamal
2005-03-29 22:00                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29 22:17                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-29 23:30                                         ` jamal
2005-03-29 23:00                                       ` jamal [this message]
2005-03-29 23:25                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30  0:30                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 15:24                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-29 22:03                                     ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29 23:13                                       ` jamal
2005-03-30  2:28                                         ` Alex Aizman
     [not found]                                         ` <E1DGSwp-0004ZE-00@thunker.thunk.org>
2005-03-30 17:16                                           ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30 18:46                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 15:22                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:33                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:38                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 15:39                                         ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 15:44                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 15:50                                             ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 16:04                                               ` James Bottomley
2005-03-30 17:48                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-30 16:02                                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-30 16:15                                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-30 16:55                                                 ` jamal
2005-03-30 18:42                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:28                                                 ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 11:41                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 12:12                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 18:59                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:04                                                       ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 15:35                                                   ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-31 19:15                                                   ` Alex Aizman
2005-03-31 19:34                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 19:39                                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-31 11:45                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 11:50                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-03-31 17:09                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-03-31 22:05                                                     ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 17:24                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-30 17:39                                         ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-30 20:10                                           ` Mike Christie
2005-03-30 17:07                                     ` Grant Grundler
2005-03-30  5:12                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-03-28 16:37                             ` Dmitry Yusupov
2005-03-28 19:45                         ` Roland Dreier
2005-03-28 20:32                           ` Topic: Remote DMA network technologies Gerrit Huizenga
2005-03-28 20:36                             ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                           ` <1112042936.5088.22.camel@beastie>
2005-03-28 22:32                             ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-29  3:19                               ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
2005-03-30 16:00                                 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-03-31  1:08                                   ` Linux support for RDMA H. Peter Anvin
2005-04-02 18:08                               ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Dmitry Yusupov
2005-04-02 19:13                                 ` Ming Zhang
2005-04-04  6:31                                 ` Grant Grundler
2005-04-04 18:57                                 ` Rick Jones
2005-03-29  3:14                             ` Linux support for RDMA (was: [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics) Roland Dreier
     [not found] <42472259.2866086e.3169.318fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.googlegroups.com>
2005-03-27 21:18 ` [Ksummit-2005-discuss] Summary of 2005 Kernel Summit Proposed Topics Alex Aizman
2005-03-27 21:53 Alex Aizman

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