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From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
To: Jon Mason <jdmason@us.ibm.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	mitch.a.williams@intel.com, shemminger@osdl.org,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se,
	john.ronciak@intel.com, ganesh.venkatesan@intel.com,
	jesse.brandeburg@intel.com
Subject: Re: RFC: NAPI packet weighting patch
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:26:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1117715207.6050.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200505311828.44304.jdmason@us.ibm.com>

On Tue, 2005-31-05 at 18:28 -0500, Jon Mason wrote:
> On Tuesday 31 May 2005 05:14 pm, David S. Miller wrote:
> > From: Jon Mason <jdmason@us.ibm.com>
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:07:54 -0500
> >
> > > Of course some performace analysis would have to be done to determine the
> > > optimal numbers for each speed/duplexity setting per driver.
> >
> > per cpu speed, per memory bus speed, per I/O bus speed, and add in other
> > complications such as NUMA
> >
> > My point is that whatever experimental number you come up with will be
> > good for that driver on your systems, not necessarily for others.
> >
> > Even within a system, whatever number you select will be the wrong
> > thing to use if one starts a continuous I/O stream to the SATA
> > controller in the next PCI slot, for example.
> >
> > We keep getting bitten by this, as the Altix perf data continually shows,
> > and we need to absolutely stop thinking this way.
> >
> > The way to go is to make selections based upon observed events and
> > mesaurements.
> 
> I'm not arguing against a /proc entry to tune dev->weight for those sysadmins 
> advanced enough to do that.  I am arguing that we can make the driver smarter 
> (at little/no cost)  for "out of the box" users.
> 

What is the point of making the driver "smarter"? 
Recall, the algorithm used to schedule the netdevices is based on an
extension of Weighted Round Robin from Varghese et al known as DRR (ask
gooogle for details).
The idea is to provide fairness amongst many drivers. As an example, if
you have a gige driver it shouldnt be taking all the resources at the
expense of starving the fastether driver.
If the admin wants one driver to be more "important" than the other,
s/he will make sure it has a higher weight.

cheers,
jamal

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-02 12:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-26 21:36 RFC: NAPI packet weighting patch Mitch Williams
2005-05-27  8:21 ` Robert Olsson
2005-05-27 11:18 ` jamal
2005-05-27 15:50 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-05-27 20:27   ` Mitch Williams
2005-05-27 21:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-05-28  0:56       ` jamal
2005-05-31 17:35         ` Mitch Williams
2005-05-31 17:40           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-05-31 17:43             ` Mitch Williams
2005-05-31 22:07           ` Jon Mason
2005-05-31 22:14             ` David S. Miller
2005-05-31 23:28               ` Jon Mason
2005-06-02 12:26                 ` jamal [this message]
2005-06-02 17:30                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-06-02 18:14 ` [PATCH] net: allow controlling NAPI weight with sysfs Stephen Hemminger
2005-06-08 21:24   ` David S. Miller
2005-06-02 18:19 ` [PATCH] net: fix sysctl_ Stephen Hemminger
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-02 21:19 RFC: NAPI packet weighting patch Ronciak, John
2005-06-02 21:31 ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-06-02 21:40   ` David S. Miller
2005-06-02 21:51   ` Jon Mason
2005-06-02 22:12     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-02 22:19       ` Jon Mason
2005-06-02 22:15     ` Robert Olsson
2005-06-03  0:11 Ronciak, John
2005-06-03  0:18 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03  2:32   ` jamal
2005-06-03 17:43     ` Mitch Williams
2005-06-03 18:38       ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 18:42       ` jamal
2005-06-03 19:01         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 19:28           ` Mitch Williams
2005-06-03 19:59             ` jamal
2005-06-03 20:31               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 21:12                 ` Jon Mason
2005-06-03 20:22             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 20:29               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 19:49                 ` Michael Chan
2005-06-03 20:59                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-06-03 20:35                     ` Michael Chan
2005-06-03 22:29                       ` jamal
2005-06-04  0:25                         ` Michael Chan
2005-06-05 21:36                           ` David S. Miller
2005-06-06  6:43                             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 23:26                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-06-05 20:11                       ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 21:07                     ` Edgar E Iglesias
2005-06-03 23:30                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2005-06-03 20:30             ` Ben Greear
2005-06-03 19:40           ` jamal
2005-06-03 20:23             ` jamal
2005-06-03 20:28               ` Mitch Williams
2005-06-03 17:40 Ronciak, John
2005-06-03 18:08 ` Robert Olsson
2005-06-03 18:19 Ronciak, John
2005-06-03 18:33 ` Ben Greear
2005-06-03 18:49   ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 18:59     ` Ben Greear
2005-06-03 19:02       ` David S. Miller
2005-06-03 20:17 ` Robert Olsson
2005-06-03 20:30   ` David S. Miller
2005-06-06 15:35 Ronciak, John
2005-06-06 19:47 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-06 20:29 Ronciak, John
2005-06-06 23:55 ` Mitch Williams
2005-06-07  0:08   ` Ben Greear
2005-06-08  1:50     ` Jesse Brandeburg
2005-06-07  4:53   ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-06-07 12:38     ` jamal
2005-06-07 12:06       ` Martin Josefsson
2005-06-07 13:29         ` jamal
2005-06-07 12:36           ` Martin Josefsson
2005-06-07 16:34             ` Robert Olsson
2005-06-07 23:19               ` Rick Jones
2005-06-21 20:37         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22  7:27           ` Eric Dumazet
2005-06-22  8:42           ` P
2005-06-22 19:37             ` jamal
2005-06-23  8:56               ` P
2005-06-21 20:20     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-21 20:38       ` Rick Jones
2005-06-21 20:55         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-21 21:47         ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-21 22:22           ` Donald Becker
2005-06-21 22:34             ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22  0:08               ` Donald Becker
2005-06-22  4:44                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-22 11:31                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 16:23                 ` Leonid Grossman
2005-06-22 16:37                   ` jamal
2005-06-22 18:00                     ` Leonid Grossman
2005-06-22 18:06                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 20:22                         ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22 20:35                           ` Rick Jones
2005-06-22 20:43                             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22 21:10                           ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 21:16                             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22 21:53                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-06-22 22:11                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 21:38                           ` Eric Dumazet
2005-06-22 22:13                             ` Eric Dumazet
2005-06-22 22:30                               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22 22:23                             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-23 12:14                               ` jamal
2005-06-23 17:36                                 ` David Mosberger
2005-06-22 22:42                           ` Leonid Grossman
2005-06-22 23:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 23:19                               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-22 23:23                                 ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-22 17:05                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-07 16:23 Ronciak, John
2005-06-07 20:21 ` David S. Miller
2005-06-08  2:20   ` Jesse Brandeburg
2005-06-08  3:31     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-08  3:43     ` David S. Miller
2005-06-08 13:36       ` jamal
2005-06-09 21:37         ` Jesse Brandeburg
2005-06-09 22:05           ` Stephen Hemminger
2005-06-09 22:12             ` Jesse Brandeburg
2005-06-09 22:21               ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09 22:21               ` jamal
2005-06-09 22:22             ` David S. Miller
2005-06-09 22:20           ` jamal

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