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From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: wireless: recap of current issues (stack)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:29:59 -0500
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On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 10:46 +0000, Simon Kelley wrote:
> Chase Venters wrote:
> 
> > As an aside to this whole thing, I know we're talking about *kernel* wireless 
> > but it's worthless to most people without good userland support as well. 
> > Anyone have any thoughts and feelings on what things look like on the 
> > desktop? I think if we work closely with some desktop people, we can shepard 
> > in some wonderful new desktop support on top of the new netlink API.
> > 
> 
> An obvious place to start is the NetworkManager project. They should be 
> asked the obvious "what do you need" and "does this provide it" 
> questions. Dan Williams has been active recently producing small kernel 
> patches which make the kernel side stuff work better with NM, so he 
> might be a good contact to start with.

We are actually moving NM on top of wpa_supplicant for the actual
connection process.  So essentially, while NM does talk to the card for
information and scanning, wpa_supplicant provides the bulk of the actual
connection process control.  Any card that works with wpa_supplicant
should then work with NetworkManager.

Novel's is working on a KDE applet for NM which should hit CVS soon, I
think.

Dan