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From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: shemminger@osdl.org, mchan@broadcom.com,
	herbert@gondor.apana.org.au, jesse.brandeburg@intel.com,
	auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [e1000]: Remove unnecessary tx_lock
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 12:56:42 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1154797002.5081.21.camel@jzny2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060804.163111.85390037.davem@davemloft.net>

On Fri, 2006-04-08 at 16:31 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>

>  
> > The real risk is that the transmit routine will decide it's busy, but
> > at the same time an IRQ on another CPU will clean up the whole ring
> > and make the queue available again. Then the transmit routine exits and
> > says its busy, and the higher level will decide it is permanently stopped.
> 

Doesnt this mean we need to hold the txlock longer to avoid the race?
It will also mean we need to have a consistent programming model of the
drivers (as an example: When is it not advisable to prune tx ring on the
tx path? My gut feeling at the moment is i would rather have receive
path do a lot of dirty work so as to prioritize transmit)

> Yes, it's meant to catch unintented races.
> 

This section of the tx path is quiet hairy. Would a patch to make
qdisc_restart more readable be a sensible thing to submit?

> The queueing layer that calls ->hard_start_xmit() technically has no
> need to support NETDEV_TX_BUSY as a return value, since the device
> is able to prevent this.
> 

I noticed that the e1000 in some cases returns NETDEV_TX_OK even when it
has stopped the queue. This results in wasted calls into the qdisc.
It seems the tg3 is doing as well. I put a little counter and the amount
of those useless calls that happen in incredible.
I was going to experiment with infact returning an additional code
NETDEV_TX_BUSY_QUEUED which signals the core to just go away.

> If we could avoid NETDEV_TX_BUSY et al. from happening, the idea is
> that we could eliminate all of the requeueing logic in the packet
> scheduler layer.  It is a pipe dream from many years ago.
> 

Still doable IMO - maybe a motivation for something to experiment with
this long weekend. 


cheers,
jamal


  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-05 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-03 13:15 [PATCH] [e1000]: Remove unnecessary tx_lock jamal
2006-08-03 14:02 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-03 14:24   ` jamal
2006-08-03 16:36   ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-03 18:05     ` Michael Chan
2006-08-03 22:08       ` jamal
2006-08-04  0:09         ` Michael Chan
2006-08-04  1:10           ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04  8:37             ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:10               ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:16                 ` jamal
2006-08-04 10:25                   ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04 10:45                     ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:04                     ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:06                       ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:21                         ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:30                           ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 16:45                   ` jamal
2006-08-04 17:12                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-04 17:28                 ` Michael Chan
2006-08-04 18:08                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-04 23:31                     ` David Miller
2006-08-05 16:56                       ` jamal [this message]
2006-08-05 23:05                         ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:17                           ` jamal
2006-08-05 23:19                             ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-05 23:36                               ` jamal
2006-08-06  2:51                                 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06  7:14                                   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06  7:24                                     ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06  7:30                                       ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06  7:26                                     ` David Miller
2006-08-06  7:36                                       ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06  8:06                                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06  8:27                                           ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06  9:03                                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06  9:10                                               ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06  9:18                                                 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-06  8:35                                         ` David Miller
2006-08-06 12:24                                   ` jamal
2006-08-06 12:33                                     ` jamal
2006-08-06 23:16                                       ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-08-07 12:50                                         ` jamal
2006-08-07 15:21                                           ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 15:40                                             ` jamal
2006-08-07 15:59                                               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 16:31                                                 ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2006-08-07 17:04                                                   ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 18:00                                                     ` jamal
2006-08-07 18:47                                                       ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 19:03                                                         ` jamal
2006-08-07 19:14                                                           ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 19:34                                                             ` jamal
2006-08-07 20:28                                                               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-08  0:52                                                                 ` jamal
2006-08-07 20:53                                                           ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-08  1:07                                                             ` jamal
2006-08-07 23:23                                                           ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07 23:35                                                             ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2006-08-07 23:40                                                               ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07 16:29                                               ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2006-08-07 16:36                                                 ` jamal
2006-08-06 19:22                                     ` jamal
2006-08-08  1:19                                     ` jamal
2006-08-08  1:22                                       ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08  1:33                                         ` jamal
2006-08-08  2:17                                           ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08  3:10                                             ` jamal
2006-08-08 12:21                                   ` jamal
2006-08-08 12:39                                     ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-06 17:20                           ` Michael Chan
2006-08-06 23:04                             ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-07  3:56                               ` Michael Chan
2006-08-07  4:21                                 ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-08 17:04                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-08 22:06                         ` David Miller
2006-08-08 23:21                           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-09  0:25                             ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-09  1:25                               ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-08-04  1:16           ` jamal
2006-08-04  1:18             ` Herbert Xu
2006-08-04  1:25               ` jamal
2006-08-04  4:06             ` Michael Chan
2006-08-03 22:06     ` jamal
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-08-08  5:43 Brandeburg, Jesse

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