From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
To: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jean Tourrilhes <jt@hpl.hp.com>
Subject: Re: proposal for new wireless configuration API
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:29:47 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1155659387.3005.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1155655728.17742.30.camel@ux156>
On Tue, 2006-08-15 at 17:28 +0200, Johannes Berg wrote:
> Hi,
>
> So I've thought about this all day long... After writing this mail I'll
> go home and hope my inbox collects some feedback ;)
We might want to take the time to fix up a few of the ambiguities of
WEXT that we've encountered over the past few years:
o Separate attributes for signal strength units; signed integer type for
dBm, unsigned integer type for RSSI. One 8-bit var to represent both is
just too confusing for people, evidently (which is true...)
o Merge functionality ENCODE and ENCODEEXT handlers into one
o Separate attributes for channel and frequency
o Method of finding out channel <-> frequency mapping (not all drivers
support this in the SIOCGIWRANGE handler now)
Nothing big here... but gives driver writers a much easier target to
hit, and userspace app writers an easier API to understand.
Dan
> I've arrived at the following conclusions:
> * we want to use genetlink
> * we need an equivalent of the old commit() call,
> but without all the stupidity
> * we want to do packet injection and many other advanced
> features with it, and keep it extensible
>
> NB: I have some code, so don't start ;)
>
> Hence, I came up with the following system. Note that I don't use any
> private header for the netlink messages.
>
> - we implement a bunch of commands, for example NL80211_CMD_INJECT and
> _SETATTR, _GETATTR[(attrnumber)] [easy with dumpit()],
> _GETATTRGROUP, ...
>
> - we have a whole bunch of possible attributes:
> NL80211_ATTR_FLAGS: flags for injecting a packet (e.g. want_notify)
> NL80211_ATTR_IFINDEX: index of interface to use
> (NL80211_ATTR_PHYIDX: (later) index of wiphy to configure)
> NL80211_ATTR_ESSID,
> FRAGTHRESHOLD,
> CHANNEL,...: most of the old wext ioctls map to
> attributes now
> NL80211_ATTR_FRAME: frame to inject, or received mgmt frame
>
> - we use a few multicast groups:
> (a) one for management frames that are received
> (b) one for scan results as they come available
> (When, for example, someone requests scan results, they are
> simply multicast to the group+the requester, if they come
> available during operation they can also be multicast here)
>
> Note that I haven't mentioned commit(). NL80211_CMD_GETATTRGROUP returns
> a list of attributes that make sense to set with a single _SETATTR call
> and multiple attributes.
>
> an old sequence of
> iwconfig eth0 essid 'lalala'
> iwconfig eth0 channel 2
> iwconfig eth0 commit
> would then be translated in the compat layer to a single _SETATTR
> message with the channel and essid attributes. Ultimately, we'll get rid
> of this, so a userspace tool using the netlink configuration would just
> tell the user via _GETATTRGROUP which attributes make sense to group
> together for optimal card behaviour.
>
> As for the inject command, it looks like on the current wmgmt# interface
> for d80211 has a bunch of implicit behaviour like looking into the
> transmitted frame to see what type it is etc. I'd like to get rid of it
> and stuff the information for that into ATTR_FLAGS instead.
>
> Oh and of course we'll have a structure somewhere that drivers and
> stacks register with the module that provides this netlink interface.
> That module will then also multiplex the commands to the drivers/stacks.
> I have that mostly figured out.
>
> Since it will be easy to tell if a specific driver/stack implements
> old-style wext or this new API we can allow drivers with both APIs to
> coexist for a while. I won't map the new API to the old wext one of
> course, but mapping the wext API to the new one we need anyway. Hence,
> we can change the wext code to call the new API if present and the old
> one otherwise (with a big fat printk), and then slowly migrate drivers
> over. Due to the reduced commit logic, it should become simpler too,
> even for old drivers.
>
> Anyway, comments appreciated. If we can agree on this general framework
> I'll start implementing the groundwork and some of the rest for d80211
> soon.
>
> johannes
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-15 16:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-15 15:28 proposal for new wireless configuration API Johannes Berg
2006-08-15 16:14 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2006-08-16 7:26 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-15 16:29 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2006-08-15 16:38 ` Michael Buesch
2006-08-15 18:14 ` Dan Williams
2006-08-15 19:13 ` Michael Buesch
2006-08-15 19:27 ` Simon Barber
2006-08-15 19:35 ` Michael Buesch
2006-08-15 20:06 ` Dan Williams
2006-08-15 19:59 ` Dan Williams
2006-08-16 7:14 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-17 19:39 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-08-17 21:24 ` Michael Buesch
2006-08-17 23:29 ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-08-18 7:12 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-18 15:00 ` John W. Linville
2006-08-18 21:29 ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-08-18 22:02 ` Michael Buesch
2006-08-21 7:31 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-16 6:51 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-16 18:02 ` Simon Barber
2006-08-17 7:19 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-17 16:42 ` Simon Barber
2006-08-17 23:23 ` Ulrich Kunitz
2006-08-18 7:01 ` Johannes Berg
2006-08-18 16:45 ` Simon Barber
2006-08-21 6:45 ` Johannes Berg
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