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From: jamal <hadi-fAAogVwAN2Kw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kaber-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
	netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org,
	linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU.
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:32:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1216593170.4847.137.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080720.102534.246150854.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, 2008-20-07 at 10:25 -0700, David Miller wrote:

> They tend to implement round-robin or some similar fairness algorithm
> amongst the queues, with zero concern about packet priorities.

pfifo_fast would be a bad choice in that case, but even a pfifo cannot
guarantee proper RR because it would present packets in a FIFO order
(and example the first 10 could go to hardware queue1 and the next to
hardware queue2).
 
My view: i think you need a software queue per hardware queue.
Maybe even these queues residing in the driver; that way you take care
of congestion and it doesnt matter if the hardware is RR or strict prio
(and you dont need the pfifo or pfifo_fast anymore).
The use case would be something along:
packets comes in, you classify find its for queue1, grab the
per-hardware-queue1 lock, find the hardware queue1 is overloaded and
stash it instead in s/ware queue1. If it wasnt congested, it would go on
hardware queue1.
When hardware queue1 becomes available and netif-woken, you pick first
from s/ware queue1 (and batching could apply cleanly here) and send them
to hardware queue.

> It really is just like a bunch of queues to the phsyical layer,
> fairly shared.

I am suprised prioritization is not an issue. [My understanding of the
intel/cisco datacentre cabal is they serve virtual machines using
virtual wires; i would think in such scenarios youd have some customers
who pay more than others].

> These things are built for parallelization, not prioritization.

Total parallelization happens in the ideal case. If X cpus classify
packets going to X different hardware queueus each CPU grabs only locks
for that hardware queue. In virtualization, where only one customer's
traffic is going to a specific hardware queue, things would work well.
Non-virtualization scenario may result in collision in which two or more
CPUs may contend for the same hardware queue (either transmitting or
netif-waking etc).
 
cheers,
jamal

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-20 22:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-17 12:17 [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU David Miller
     [not found] ` <20080717.051726.226040470.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:03   ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]     ` <487F4327.1000107-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:12       ` David Miller
2008-07-17 13:48         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]           ` <487F4DA6.6010009-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:36             ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20080717.153609.142867331.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:58                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 13:35       ` jamal
2008-07-17 14:02         ` Patrick McHardy
     [not found]           ` <487F50EC.80008-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:24             ` David Miller
     [not found]               ` <20080717.152447.89672084.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:48                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-18 13:10                   ` jamal
2008-07-18 13:27                     ` jamal
2008-07-18 21:05                       ` David Miller
2008-07-20 15:16                         ` jamal
2008-07-20 17:25                           ` David Miller
     [not found]                             ` <20080720.102534.246150854.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:34                               ` Tomas Winkler
     [not found]                                 ` <1ba2fa240807201034u1fbe3343tdcc858f7772d2b39-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:35                                   ` David Miller
2008-07-20 22:32                               ` jamal [this message]
2008-07-20 23:59                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21  2:20                                   ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:20                                     ` jamal
2008-07-21 16:45                                       ` David Miller
2008-07-21 11:58                                     ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                       ` <E1KKu2D-0002kd-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 13:08                                         ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:19                                           ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 13:56                                             ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:58                                               ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                 ` <20080721135846.GA11543-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:09                                                   ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                     ` <20080721.080901.214889979.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:22                                                       ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 15:26                                                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                           ` <20080721.082627.128593651.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:16                                                             ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                               ` <20080721161616.GA12938-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:25                                                                 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:43                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 16:51                                                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                       ` <20080721.095124.89249903.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:02                                                                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                                           ` <20080721170233.GA13417-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:08                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20080721.100821.38432201.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:11                                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  6:56                                                                                   ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22  7:16                                                                                     ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <20080822.001620.141235108.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22  7:41                                                                                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <20080822074115.GB25615-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:42                                                                                             ` David Miller
     [not found]                                                                                               ` <20080822.034217.135152551.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:47                                                                                                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 13:52                                                                                                 ` jamal
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <20080822065655.GA18471-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 13:43                                                                                       ` jamal
2008-07-21 17:35                                         ` David Miller
2008-07-18 17:10                     ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]                       ` <adaljzz6ruq.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 14:58                         ` jamal
2008-07-20 14:32               ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-20 17:20                 ` David Miller
2008-07-20 14:20         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]           ` <E1KKZmE-0000ty-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 15:35             ` jamal
2008-07-21  0:11               ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                 ` <20080721001119.GA6515-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21  2:33                   ` jamal
2008-07-21  3:17                     ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 11:14                       ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:36                         ` Herbert Xu
     [not found]                           ` <20080721113600.GA10322-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 11:39                             ` jamal
2008-07-19  3:59     ` David Miller

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