From: jamal <hadi-fAAogVwAN2Kw5LPnMra/2Q@public.gmane.org>
To: David Miller <davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kaber-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org,
netdev-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
johannes-cdvu00un1VgdHxzADdlk8Q@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU.
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:32:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1216593170.4847.137.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080720.102534.246150854.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
On Sun, 2008-20-07 at 10:25 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> They tend to implement round-robin or some similar fairness algorithm
> amongst the queues, with zero concern about packet priorities.
pfifo_fast would be a bad choice in that case, but even a pfifo cannot
guarantee proper RR because it would present packets in a FIFO order
(and example the first 10 could go to hardware queue1 and the next to
hardware queue2).
My view: i think you need a software queue per hardware queue.
Maybe even these queues residing in the driver; that way you take care
of congestion and it doesnt matter if the hardware is RR or strict prio
(and you dont need the pfifo or pfifo_fast anymore).
The use case would be something along:
packets comes in, you classify find its for queue1, grab the
per-hardware-queue1 lock, find the hardware queue1 is overloaded and
stash it instead in s/ware queue1. If it wasnt congested, it would go on
hardware queue1.
When hardware queue1 becomes available and netif-woken, you pick first
from s/ware queue1 (and batching could apply cleanly here) and send them
to hardware queue.
> It really is just like a bunch of queues to the phsyical layer,
> fairly shared.
I am suprised prioritization is not an issue. [My understanding of the
intel/cisco datacentre cabal is they serve virtual machines using
virtual wires; i would think in such scenarios youd have some customers
who pay more than others].
> These things are built for parallelization, not prioritization.
Total parallelization happens in the ideal case. If X cpus classify
packets going to X different hardware queueus each CPU grabs only locks
for that hardware queue. In virtualization, where only one customer's
traffic is going to a specific hardware queue, things would work well.
Non-virtualization scenario may result in collision in which two or more
CPUs may contend for the same hardware queue (either transmitting or
netif-waking etc).
cheers,
jamal
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Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-17 12:17 [PATCH 20/31]: pkt_sched: Perform bulk of qdisc destruction in RCU David Miller
[not found] ` <20080717.051726.226040470.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:03 ` Patrick McHardy
[not found] ` <487F4327.1000107-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 13:12 ` David Miller
2008-07-17 13:48 ` Patrick McHardy
[not found] ` <487F4DA6.6010009-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:36 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080717.153609.142867331.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:58 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-17 13:35 ` jamal
2008-07-17 14:02 ` Patrick McHardy
[not found] ` <487F50EC.80008-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 22:24 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080717.152447.89672084.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-17 23:48 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-07-18 13:10 ` jamal
2008-07-18 13:27 ` jamal
2008-07-18 21:05 ` David Miller
2008-07-20 15:16 ` jamal
2008-07-20 17:25 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080720.102534.246150854.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:34 ` Tomas Winkler
[not found] ` <1ba2fa240807201034u1fbe3343tdcc858f7772d2b39-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 17:35 ` David Miller
2008-07-20 22:32 ` jamal [this message]
2008-07-20 23:59 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 2:20 ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:20 ` jamal
2008-07-21 16:45 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 11:58 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <E1KKu2D-0002kd-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 13:08 ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:19 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 13:56 ` jamal
2008-07-21 13:58 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080721135846.GA11543-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:09 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080721.080901.214889979.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 15:22 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 15:26 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080721.082627.128593651.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:16 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080721161616.GA12938-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 16:25 ` David Miller
2008-07-21 16:43 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 16:51 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080721.095124.89249903.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:02 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080721170233.GA13417-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:08 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080721.100821.38432201.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 17:11 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 6:56 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 7:16 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080822.001620.141235108.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 7:41 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080822074115.GB25615-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:42 ` David Miller
[not found] ` <20080822.034217.135152551.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 10:47 ` Herbert Xu
2008-08-22 13:52 ` jamal
[not found] ` <20080822065655.GA18471-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-08-22 13:43 ` jamal
2008-07-21 17:35 ` David Miller
2008-07-18 17:10 ` Roland Dreier
[not found] ` <adaljzz6ruq.fsf-FYB4Gu1CFyUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 14:58 ` jamal
2008-07-20 14:32 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-20 17:20 ` David Miller
2008-07-20 14:20 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <E1KKZmE-0000ty-00-XQvu0L+U/CjiRBuR/1fSEKKkPtS2pBon@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-20 15:35 ` jamal
2008-07-21 0:11 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080721001119.GA6515-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 2:33 ` jamal
2008-07-21 3:17 ` Herbert Xu
2008-07-21 11:14 ` jamal
2008-07-21 11:36 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <20080721113600.GA10322-lOAM2aK0SrRLBo1qDEOMRrpzq4S04n8Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-21 11:39 ` jamal
2008-07-19 3:59 ` David Miller
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