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From: Dan Williams <dcbw@redhat.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: wd@denx.de, shemminger@vyatta.com, yanok@emcraft.com,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	dzu@denx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dnet: Dave DNET ethernet controller driver
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:00:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1236780016.10989.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090311.062336.238430706.davem@davemloft.net>

On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 06:23 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Wolfgang Denk <wd@denx.de>
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:09:38 +0100
> 
> > How do you then handle situations where this is impossible? Say, when
> > the firmware cannot write to those registers for example because  the
> > ethernet  controller is not even powered on (to reduce power consump-
> > tion), but will get powered on only in Linux  when  the  driver  gets
> > loaded (i. e. on demand only, not always)?
> 
> That's what NVRAM, CMOS, EEPROM's and other writable long-term
> storage areas are for.
> 
> To be quite honest with you, any ethernet device that doesn't
> have an EEPROM where the chip instance's ethernet address is
> stored is completely broken.

Not having persistent MAC storage makes it quite hard from userspace to
tie specific network configuration to a specific device, because
(rightly so) kernel network interface names are *not* stable.  And since
most manufacturers don't bother to put serial numbers into things like
the USB descriptors, there is now way to uniquely identify if you plug
two in.  LOSE.

Save a kitten.  Add an EEPROM.

Dan



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-11 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-11  2:29 [PATCH] dnet: Dave DNET ethernet controller driver Ilya Yanok
2009-03-11  4:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2009-03-11 23:33   ` [PATCH] dnet: Dave DNET ethernet controller driver (updated) Ilya Yanok
2009-03-12  6:29     ` David Miller
2009-03-11  4:18 ` [PATCH] dnet: Dave DNET ethernet controller driver Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-11  8:44   ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-11  8:49     ` David Miller
2009-03-11  8:57       ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-11  9:09         ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-03-11 10:35           ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-11 13:23           ` David Miller
2009-03-11 14:00             ` Dan Williams [this message]
2009-03-11 18:23             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-03-11 19:15             ` Riku Voipio
2009-03-12  0:44               ` David Miller
2009-03-11 20:56       ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-11 21:33         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-03-12  0:13         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-03-12 10:41           ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 12:55             ` David Miller
2009-03-12 14:21               ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 14:34                 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-12 15:01                 ` David Miller
2009-03-12 15:12                 ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 16:25                   ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 17:43                     ` David Miller
2009-03-12 17:52                       ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 18:06                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-03-12 18:39                           ` Dan Williams
2009-03-12 18:48                           ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 19:04                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-12 19:15                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-03-12 19:16                               ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 19:21                               ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 20:14                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-03-12 20:27                                 ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-12 20:35                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-03-12 17:49                     ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 18:25                       ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 19:05                         ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 19:14                           ` Sascha Hauer
2009-03-12 19:29                           ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 21:59                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-03-12 23:42                             ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-13  0:21                               ` Neil Horman
2009-03-13  1:29                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-13 10:30                                   ` Neil Horman
2009-03-13  0:16                             ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 19:25                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-03-12 19:43                           ` Christer Weinigel
2009-03-12 20:24                   ` Mike (mwester)
2009-03-13  0:29                     ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 13:41   ` Michael Cashwell
2009-03-12 14:05     ` David Miller
2009-03-12 14:26       ` Neil Horman
2009-03-12 18:02       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-03-13 19:49       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-03-13 20:12         ` David Miller

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