From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ben Hutchings Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Ethtool style in kernel network driver configuration. Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:48:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1244753296.2785.95.camel@achroite> References: <20090610173243.17262.91308.stgit@srv002.fuzzey.net> <1244685768.4616.22.camel@deadeye> <4A30A884.9000508@gmail.com> <1244732090.2785.12.camel@achroite> <1244739166.2785.52.camel@achroite> <1244744967.2785.61.camel@achroite> <1244748719.2785.72.camel@achroite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mfuzzey@gmail.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org To: Nicolas Pitre Return-path: Received: from smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.3.140]:41903 "EHLO smarthost01.mail.zen.net.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751749AbZFKUsS (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:48:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: Sender: netdev-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 16:24 -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2009, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 15:08 -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > [...] > > > > Please note, I'm talking about an init script - > > > > which you surely must have - not an initramfs, which I recognise is > > > > optional and unnecessary for most embedded systems. > > > > > > An init script is already a luxury for some systems. > > > > And so is an Ethernet port. Instead of talking about hypotheticals, why > > not talk about the system you need this workaround for? > > Look, I personally do not need this. And I'm rather tired arguing with > you. Your shortsightedness and refusal for accommodation about needs > that aren't yours is representative of the main reason why there is > still a disconnect between mainline people and embedded people. If you > can't admit it then I've failed my attempt at bridging the gap. [...] It's not my call as to whether your needs are accommodated, and in any case I'm not trying to dismiss them. I'm trying to understand them and to suggest what seems like a better solution. I'm primarily a driver maintainer and I work with an out-of-tree module as well as an in-tree driver. I've had to deal with many objections in the process of submitting that out-of-tree code, and I worked to overcome them. This took several iterations and it was quite frustrating at times. But the result was a better driver. I don't want to spend time arguing either, so if I've not yet convinced you to try an alternative then so be it. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings, Senior Software Engineer, Solarflare Communications Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job. They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.