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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	oleg@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netpoll: Fix carrier detection for drivers that are using phylib
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:46:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1247147206.7439.2.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1247145977.21295.899.camel@calx>

On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 08:26 -0500, Matt Mackall wrote: 
> On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 17:01 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009, Anton Vorontsov wrote:
> > > 
> > > The netpoll code is using msleep() just a few lines below cond_resched(),
> > > so we won't make things worse. ;-)
> > 
> > Yeah. That function is definitely sleeping. It does things like 
> > kmalloc(GFP_KERNEL), rtnl_lock() and synchronize_rcu() etc too, so an 
> > added msleep() is the least of our problems.
> > 
> > Afaik, it's called from a bog-standard "module_init()", which happens late 
> > enough that everything works.
> > 
> > In fact, I wonder if we should set SYSTEM_RUNNING much earlier - _before_ 
> > doing the whole "do_initcalls()".
> 
> Well there are two ways of consistently defining SYSTEM_RUNNING:
> 
> a) define it with reference to the well-understood notion of booting vs
> running and don't switch it until handing off to init

This makes the most sense IMHO.

> b) define it with reference to its usage by an arbitrary user like
> cond_resched()
> 
> In the latter case, we obviously need to move it to the earliest point
> that scheduling is possible. But there are a number of things like 
> 
> http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.30/kernel/printk.c#L228
> 
> that assume the definition is actually (a). We're currently within a
> couple lines of a strict definition of (a) already, so I actually think
> cond_resched() is just wrong (and we already know it broke a
> previously-working user). It should perhaps be using another private
> flag that gets set as soon as scheduling is up and running.

Right as mentioned before in this thread, we grew scheduler_running a
while back which could be used for this.

> But I'd actually go further and say that it's unfortunate to be checking
> extra flags in such an important inline, especially since the check is
> false for all but the first couple seconds of run time. Seems like we
> could avoid adding an extra check by artificially elevating the preempt
> count in early boot (or at compile time) then dropping it when
> scheduling becomes available.

Calling cond_resched() and co when !preemptable is an error so this
wouldn't actually work.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-09 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]       ` <20090708141024.f8b581c5.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
     [not found]         ` <20090708213331.GA9346@oksana.dev.rtsoft.ru>
2009-07-08 21:47           ` [PATCH/RFC] sched: Remove SYSTEM_RUNNING checks from cond_resched*() Andrew Morton
2009-07-08 22:20             ` [PATCH] netpoll: Fix carrier detection for drivers that are using phylib Anton Vorontsov
2009-07-09  0:01               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-09  3:08                 ` David Miller
2009-07-09  7:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-09 12:56                   ` Matt Mackall
2009-07-09 13:26                 ` Matt Mackall
2009-07-09 13:46                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-07-09 14:18                     ` Matt Mackall
2009-07-09 14:31                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-09 14:43                         ` Matt Mackall
2009-07-09 14:51                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-07-09 15:06                             ` Matt Mackall
2009-07-09 17:29                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-09 12:52               ` Matt Mackall

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