Re: [PATCH net-next-2.6] bridge: 64bit rx/tx counters

Andrew Morton
2010-08-12T15:06:13Z

On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:16:15 +0200 Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com> wrote:

> > And all this open-coded per-cpu counter stuff added all over the place.
> > Were percpu_counters tested or reviewed and found inadequate and unfixable?
> > If so, please do tell.
> >
>
> percpu_counters tries hard to maintain a view of the current value of
> the (global) counter. This adds a cost because of a shared cache line
> and locking. (__percpu_counter_sum() is not very scalable on big hosts,
> it locks the percpu_counter lock for a possibly long iteration)

Could be. Is percpu_counter_read_positive() unsuitable?

>
> For network stats we dont want to maintain this central value, we do the
> folding only when necessary.

hm. Well, why? That big walk across all possible CPUs could be really
expensive for some applications. Especially if num_possible_cpus is
much larger than num_online_cpus, which iirc can happen in
virtualisation setups; probably it can happen in non-virtualised
machines too.

> And this folding has zero effect on
> concurrent writers (counter updates)

The fastpath looks a little expensive in the code you've added. The
write_seqlock() does an rmw and a wmb() and the stats inc is a 64-bit
rmw whereas percpu_counters do a simple 32-bit add. So I'd expect that
at some suitable batch value, percpu-counters are faster on 32-bit.

They'll usually be slower on 64-bit, until that num_possible_cpus walk
bites you.

percpu_counters might need some work to make them irq-friendly. That
bare spin_lock().

btw, I worry a bit about seqlocks in the presence of interrupts:

static inline void write_seqcount_begin(seqcount_t *s)
{
s->sequence++;
smp_wmb();
}

are we assuming that the ++ there is atomic wrt interrupts? I think
so. Is that always true for all architectures, compiler versions, etc?

> For network stack, we also need to update two values, a packet counter
> and a bytes counter. percpu_counter is not very good for the 'bytes
> counter', since we would have to use a arbitrary big bias value.

OK, that's a nasty problem for percpu-counters.

> Using several percpu_counter would also probably use more cache lines.
>
> Also please note this stuff is only needed for 32bit arches.
>
> Using percpu_counter would slow down network stack on modern arches.

Was this ever quantified?

>
> I am very well aware of the percpu_counter stuff, I believe I tried to
> optimize it a bit in the past.