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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Ian Campbell <Ian.Campbell@citrix.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: SKB paged fragment lifecycle on receive
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 19:56:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1308938183.2532.8.camel@edumazet-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E04C961.9010302@goop.org>

Le vendredi 24 juin 2011 à 10:29 -0700, Jeremy Fitzhardinge a écrit :
> On 06/24/2011 08:43 AM, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > We've previously looked into solutions using the skb destructor callback
> > but that falls over if the skb is cloned since you also need to know
> > when the clone is destroyed. Jeremy Fitzhardinge and I subsequently
> > looked at the possibility of a no-clone skb flag (i.e. always forcing a
> > copy instead of a clone) but IIRC honouring it universally turned into a
> > very twisty maze with a number of nasty corner cases etc. It also seemed
> > that the proportion of SKBs which get cloned at least once appeared as
> > if it could be quite high which would presumably make the performance
> > impact unacceptable when using the flag. Another issue with using the
> > skb destructor is that functions such as __pskb_pull_tail will eat (and
> > free) pages from the start of the frag array such that by the time the
> > skb destructor is called they are no longer there.
> >
> > AIUI Rusty Russell had previously looked into a per-page destructor in
> > the shinfo but found that it couldn't be made to work (I don't remember
> > why, or if I even knew at the time). Could that be an approach worth
> > reinvestigating?
> >
> > I can't really think of any other solution which doesn't involve some
> > sort of driver callback at the time a page is free()d.
> 

This reminds me the packet mmap (tx path) games we play with pages.

net/packet/af_packet.c : tpacket_destruct_skb(), poking
TP_STATUS_AVAILABLE back to user to tell him he can reuse space...

> One simple approach would be to simply make sure that we retain a page
> reference on any granted pages so that the network stack's put pages
> will never result in them being released back to the kernel.  We can
> also install an skb destructor.  If it sees a page being released with a
> refcount of 1, then we know its our own reference and can free the page
> immediately.  If the refcount is > 1 then we can add it to a queue of
> pending pages, which can be periodically polled to free pages whose
> other references have been dropped.
> 
> However, the question is how large will this queue get?  If it remains
> small then this scheme could be entirely practical.  But if almost every
> page ends up having transient stray references, it could become very
> awkward.
> 
> So it comes down to "how useful is an skb destructor callback as a
> heuristic for page free"?
> 

Dangerous I would say. You could have a skb1 page transferred to another
skb2, and call skb1 destructor way before page being released.

TCP stack could do that in tcp_collapse() [ it currently doesnt play
with pages ]




  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-24 17:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-24 15:43 SKB paged fragment lifecycle on receive Ian Campbell
2011-06-24 17:29 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-06-24 17:56   ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2011-06-24 18:21     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-06-24 19:46       ` David Miller
2011-06-24 20:11         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-06-24 20:27           ` David Miller
2011-06-25 11:58           ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-27 20:51             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-06-28 10:25               ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-27 14:42     ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-27 22:49       ` David Miller
2011-06-28 10:24         ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-24 22:44   ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-24 22:48     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2011-06-26 10:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-06-27  9:41   ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-27 10:21     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-06-27 10:54       ` Ian Campbell
2011-06-27 11:19         ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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