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From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: starlight@binnacle.cx
Cc: chetan loke <loke.chetan@gmail.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Stephen Hemminger <stephen.hemminger@vyatta.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>, Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	lokechetan@gmail.com, Con Kolivas <conman@kolivas.org>,
	Serge Belyshev <belyshev@depni.sinp.msu.ru>
Subject: Re: big picture UDP/IP performance question re 2.6.18 -> 2.6.32
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 21:07:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1318018023.2771.44.camel@bwh-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20111007143050.039bd578@binnacle.cx>

On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 14:37 -0400, starlight@binnacle.cx wrote:
> At 02:09 PM 10/7/2011 -0400, chetan loke wrote:
[...]
> b) Use non-commodity(?) NICs(from vendors
> >you mentioned): where it might have some on-board
> >memory(cushion) and so it can absorb the spikes
> >and can also smoothen out too many
> >PCI-transactions for bursty (and small payload -
> >as in 64 byte traffic). But wait, when you use the
> >libs provided by these vendors, then their
> >driver(especially the Rx path) is not so much
> >working in inline mode as NIC drivers in case a)
> >above. This driver with a special Rx-path purely
> >exists for managing your mmap'd queues.So
> >of-course it's going to be faster that the
> >traditional inline drivers. In this partial-inline
> >mode, the adapter might i) batch the packets and
> >ii) send a single notification to the
> >host-side. With that single event you are now
> >processing 1+ packets.

Solarflare's user-mode queues have their own wakeup moderation timers,
similar to interrupt moderation timers.

Note also that NICs designed for user-mode networking may allow DMA
descriptor/event rings and doorbell registers to be mapped into user
processes.  This allows packets to be passed continuously without any
need to call into the kernel.

> Kernel bypass is probably the best answer for
> what we do.  Problem has been lack of maturity
> in their driver software.  Looks like it's reaching
> a point where they cover our use case.  As mentioned
> earlier, Solarflare could not match the Intel
> 82599 + ixgbe for this app last year.  Was a
> disaster.

Ouch.  What's the application?

> Myricom is focused on UDP (better
> for us), but only just added multi-core IRQ
> doorbell wakeups in recent months.  Previously
> one had to accept all IRQs on a single core or
> poll, neither of which works for us.
[...]

Our hardware does support spreading wakeups for user-mode queues across
multiple kernel-mode event queues (hence multiple CPUs), although not in
a very flexible way.  I believe most Onload users prefer to keep their
threads polling for events rather than waiting for wakeups, though, so
it doesn't yet use this feature.

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Staff Engineer, Solarflare
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-07 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-07  3:27 big picture UDP/IP performance question re 2.6.18 -> 2.6.32 starlight
2011-10-07  5:40 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-07  6:13   ` starlight
2011-10-07 18:09     ` chetan loke
     [not found]       ` <CAAsGZS4s1wTWW1j7FRUWW9jqpPUVF3Q46AMa7+njvE1ckX0Snw @mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-07 18:37         ` starlight
2011-10-07 19:27           ` chetan loke
     [not found]             ` <CAAsGZS4b2F9N3nV3TNu5xG+=2d0L0ncste4xv2vqoVFb1pOxEw @mail.gmail.com>
2011-10-07 19:41               ` starlight
2011-10-07 20:07           ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2011-10-11 16:24   ` Chris Friesen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-10-07  2:33 starlight
2011-10-07  2:24 starlight
2011-10-05  6:58 starlight
2011-10-05  8:53 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]   ` <1317804832.2473.25.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pr o-SFF-PC>
2011-10-05 11:50     ` starlight
2011-10-05  6:11 starlight
2011-10-05  3:35 starlight
2011-10-03 18:02 starlight
2011-10-05  6:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-03 15:25 starlight
2011-10-03 16:16 ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]   ` <1317658588.2442.5.camel@edumazet-HP-Compaq-6005-Pro -SFF-PC>
2011-10-03 16:28     ` starlight
2011-10-04 19:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 19:38   ` Joe Perches
2011-10-04 19:42     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 19:49       ` Serge Belyshev
2011-10-04 20:03         ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-04 20:12           ` Serge Belyshev
2011-10-04 22:32             ` Con Kolivas
2011-10-04 19:45     ` starlight
2011-10-05 13:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-05 14:26     ` Christoph Lameter
2011-10-05 15:12       ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-05 15:33       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-10-05 15:12     ` starlight
2011-10-02  5:33 starlight
2011-10-02  7:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-02  8:03   ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-02 14:47   ` Stephen Hemminger
2011-10-02 15:06   ` starlight
2011-10-04 19:54     ` Loke, Chetan
2011-10-01 21:13 starlight
2011-10-01 18:16 starlight
2011-10-01 18:40 ` Willy Tarreau
2011-10-01 19:11 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-01 19:43   ` starlight
     [not found] <6.2.5.6.2.20111001012019.05c05b80@flumedata.com>
2011-10-01  6:44 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-01 15:56   ` starlight

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