Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Andrew Beverley]

On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
> I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
> was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
> unsubscribe and you don't know how to.

Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.

I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
networking users list.

User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions
get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a
general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.

Comments anyone?

Andy

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Saturday 2011-10-22 16:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:

>On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
>> Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
>> I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
>> was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
>> unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
>
>Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
>vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
>
>I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
>There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
>networking users list.
>
>User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions
>get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a
>general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.
>
>Comments anyone?

Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the 
traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Benjamin Poirier]

On 11/10/22 15:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> > Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
> > I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
> > was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
> > unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
> 
> Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
> vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
> 
> I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
> There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
> networking users list.

Isn't that what linux-net@vger.kernel.org is/was supposed to be about?
Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received
on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.

-Ben

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Andrew Beverley]

On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 13:54 -0400, Benjamin Poirier wrote:
> On 11/10/22 15:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:
> > On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> > > Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
> > > I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
> > > was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
> > > unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
> > 
> > Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
> > vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
> > 
> > I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
> > There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
> > networking users list.
> 
> Isn't that what linux-net@vger.kernel.org is/was supposed to be about?

Hmmm, hadn't even come across that before.

> Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received
> on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.

Maybe not much interest for a users' list then...


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Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Andrew Beverley]

On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 16:43 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Saturday 2011-10-22 16:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:
> 
> >On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> >> Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
> >> I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
> >> was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
> >> unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
> >
> >Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
> >vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
> >
> >I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
> >There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
> >networking users list.
> >
> >User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions
> >get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a
> >general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.
> >
> >Comments anyone?
> 
> Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the 
> traffic was as much as linux-kernel.

Yep, may as well, they seem to be posted there anyway. I was just
conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc" experts, because
those sort of questions don't get much of a response.

I'd love to spend some time on some tc documentation one day...

Andy


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Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Dave Taht]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Andrew Beverley <andy@andybev.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 16:43 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
>> On Saturday 2011-10-22 16:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:
>>
>> >On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
>> >> Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
>> >> I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it
>> >> was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to
>> >> unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
>> >
>> >Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
>> >vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
>> >
>> >I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
>> >There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
>> >networking users list.
>> >
>> >User questions do get asked on netdev, and some non-netfilter questions
>> >get asked on the netfilter list, but it would seem sensible to have a
>> >general networking users list that would include LARTC questions.
>> >
>> >Comments anyone?
>>
>> Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the
>> traffic was as much as linux-kernel.
>
> Yep, may as well, they seem to be posted there anyway. I was just
> conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc" experts, because
> those sort of questions don't get much of a response.

I would be interested in seeing a resurrected 'tc' list aimed more at
users/sysadmins than developers.

There has been a lot of mostly theoretical discussion about aqms and
the like on the bloat and bloat-devel lists, but when it comes down to
something that will actually work, not so much...

>
> I'd love to spend some time on some tc documentation one day...

The tc documentation is littered with less than useful examples, when
they do exist, which is not often enough, and much of the public
documentation is old or hard to understand.

and I'd be glad to help get all that sorted out.

>
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Niccolò Belli]

I think we should just create a new list called "LARTC", on 
vger.kernel.org, hosted on my own servers or wherever you want.
The most important thing is trying to keep alive the community around it.

Niccolò

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Ben Hutchings]

On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 21:39 +0000, Andrew Beverley wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-11-02 at 13:54 -0400, Benjamin Poirier wrote:
> > On 11/10/22 15:10, Andrew Beverley wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2011-10-22 at 15:03 +0200, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> > > > Is someone still interested to bring LARTC to a new life?
> > > > I'm sorry for the subscription but the list didn't work anymore and it 
> > > > was unfeasible to CC 30+ addresses. Let me know if you want to 
> > > > unsubscribe and you don't know how to.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for doing this Niccolo. However, I'd rather see it hosted at
> > > vger.kernel.org for all the reasons previously outlined.
> > > 
> > > I was actually going to suggest a new list called net-users instead.
> > > There is netdev, netfilter-devel and netfilter, but not a general
> > > networking users list.
> > 
> > Isn't that what linux-net@vger.kernel.org is/was supposed to be about?
> 
> Hmmm, hadn't even come across that before.
> 
> > Not sure what's its status, it's no longer listed on
> > http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html, the last message I've received
> > on it was a month ago and it was mostly spam before that.
> 
> Maybe not much interest for a users' list then...

I suggested to David to delete the linux-net list because it had very
low (legitimate) traffic and the people who could answer questions were
mostly subscribed only to netdev.  And since he agreed, it's gone.

Ben.

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Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Jan Engelhardt]

On Sunday 2011-11-13 22:42, Andrew Beverley wrote:
>> 
>> Might as well just go to netfilter for now, it's not like as if the 
>> traffic was as much as linux-kernel.
>
>[...] I was just conscious that there doesn't appear to be many "tc"
>experts.

Talk about blackboxes.

tc is like the selinux of networking.

Re: [LARTC] LARTC mailing list

[Niccolò Belli]

Il 14/11/2011 12:16, João Almeida ha scritto:
> lartc.org <http://lartc.org> should be updated with decent docs as well...

Do we have access to lartc.org? Because if we have access we can even 
keep (and fix) the original mailing list, or at least dump the addresses 
database...
Otherwise we will have to make a completely new site too.

Niccolò
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