From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] should VM_BUG_ON(cond) really evaluate cond
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:44:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1319766293.6759.17.camel@deadeye> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFy9oJSK99K=brRzSfSnLocO=PuS7yuKkAcw3t5hATJrfw@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 2011-10-27 at 18:34 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> >
> > Seems reasonable too. In fact we usually should have memory barriers
> > for this anyways which obsolete the volatile.
>
> No we shouldn't. Memory barriers are insanely expensive, and pointless
> for atomics - that aren't ordered anyway.
>
> You may mean compiler barriers.
>
> That said, removing the volatile entirely might be a good idea, and
> never mind any barriers at all. The ordering for atomics really isn't
> well enough specified that we should care. So I wouldn't object to a
> patch that just removes the volatile entirely, but it would have to be
> accompanied with quite a bit of testing, in case some odd case ends up
> depending on it. But nothing *should* be looping on those things
> anyway.
Whether or not it needs to provide any ordering guarantee, atomic_read()
must never read more than once, and I think that requires the volatile
qualification. It might be clearer to use the ACCESS_ONCE macro,
however.
Ben.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-28 1:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-28 1:19 [RFC] should VM_BUG_ON(cond) really evaluate cond Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 1:25 ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-28 1:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 1:44 ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2011-10-28 2:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 3:29 ` Ben Hutchings
2011-10-28 4:43 ` >Re: " Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 11:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 12:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 12:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 12:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-28 14:47 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-28 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-29 15:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-29 17:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30 8:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 9:59 ` Andi Kleen
2011-10-30 15:16 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30 17:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-10-30 17:59 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-10-30 18:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-11-02 0:14 ` Eric Dumazet
2011-11-01 4:06 ` Stephen Rothwell
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