From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ben Hutchings Subject: Re: [PATCH] r8169: Randomise invalid MAC addresses Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 18:47:33 +0000 Message-ID: <1327430853.2568.4.camel@bwh-desktop> References: <1327343540-30348-1-git-send-email-torne@google.com> <20120123212914.747c852f@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> <20120124171546.GA32184@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20120124182826.GA24128@electric-eye.fr.zoreil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Pavel Machek , Alan Cox , "Torne (Richard Coles)" , , , To: Francois Romieu Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20120124182826.GA24128@electric-eye.fr.zoreil.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: netdev.vger.kernel.org On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 19:28 +0100, Francois Romieu wrote: > Pavel Machek : > [...] > > Kernel should provide hw abstraction, and that should mean doing > > something about commonly-bad ethernet cards. > > Ask for a refund ? [...] This is mostly being done in embedded systems where the system developers control both the kernel and all of userspace and can easily bodge things in the userland init process. Then some adventurous users want to run custom kernels on those systems and have a reasonable way to deal with that. The original system worked and they cannot replace just the network interface, so it is no good asking for a refund. None of the push-back from netdev is going to have any effect on the embedded system developers who are failing to program MAC addresses properly; it's only going to hurt those adventurous users. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings, Staff Engineer, Solarflare Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job. They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.