From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
fw@strlen.de, netdev@vger.kernel.org, pablo@netfilter.org,
tgraf@suug.ch, amwang@redhat.com, kaber@trash.net,
paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, herbert@gondor.hengli.com.au
Subject: Re: [net-next PATCH V2 1/9] net: frag evictor, avoid killing warm frag queues
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 00:23:35 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1354317815.11754.498.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1354314319.20109.179.camel@edumazet-glaptop>
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 14:25 -0800, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 22:37 +0100, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
>
> > Come on Eric, you are smart than this. When will you realize, that
> > dropping partly completed fragment queue are bad for performance? (And
> > thus a bad algorithmic choice in the evictor)
>
> Sorry I must be dumb, so I'll stop commenting.
Come on Eric, you are one of the smartest and most enlightened persons I
know.
I'm just a little puzzled (and perhaps annoyed) that you don't agree
that the evictor code is a problem, given the tests I have provided and
the discussion we have had.
On this mailing list we challenge and give each other a hard time on the
technical side, as it should be. This is nothing personal -- I don't
take it personal, I just believe this patch is important and makes a
difference.
I want us to discuss the evictor code as such. Not trying to come up
with, workarounds avoiding the evictor code.
The dropping choice in the evictor code is not sound.
We are dealing with assembling fragments. If a single fragment is lost,
the complete fragment is lost. The evictor code, will kill off one or
several fragments, knowing that this will invalidate the remaining
fragments. Under high load, the LRU list has no effect, and cannot
guide the drop choice. The result is dropping on an "even"/fair basis,
which will basically kill all fragments, letting none complete. Just as
my tests indicate, it severely affects performance with nearly no
throughput as a result.
--
Best regards,
Jesper Dangaard Brouer
MSc.CS, Sr. Network Kernel Developer at Red Hat
Author of http://www.iptv-analyzer.org
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/brouer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-11-30 23:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-29 16:10 [net-next PATCH V2 0/9] net: fragmentation performance scalability on NUMA/SMP systems Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:11 ` [net-next PATCH V2 1/9] net: frag evictor, avoid killing warm frag queues Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 17:44 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 22:17 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 23:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 10:04 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-30 14:52 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 15:45 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-30 16:37 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 21:37 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-30 22:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 23:23 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer [this message]
2012-11-30 23:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2012-12-01 0:03 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-01 0:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2012-11-30 23:58 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-04 13:30 ` [net-next PATCH V3-evictor] " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-04 14:32 ` [net-next PATCH V3-evictor] net: frag evictor,avoid " David Laight
2012-12-04 14:47 ` [net-next PATCH V3-evictor] net: frag evictor, avoid " Eric Dumazet
2012-12-04 17:51 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-05 9:24 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-06 12:26 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-06 12:32 ` Florian Westphal
2012-12-06 13:29 ` David Laight
2012-12-06 21:38 ` David Miller
2012-12-06 13:55 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-06 14:47 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-12-06 15:23 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 23:32 ` [net-next PATCH V2 1/9] " Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 12:01 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-30 14:57 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 16:11 ` [net-next PATCH V2 2/9] net: frag cache line adjust inet_frag_queue.net Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:12 ` [net-next PATCH V2 3/9] net: frag, move LRU list maintenance outside of rwlock Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 17:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 17:48 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 17:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 18:05 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 18:24 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 18:31 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 18:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 18:36 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 22:33 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:12 ` [net-next PATCH V2 4/9] net: frag helper functions for mem limit tracking Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:13 ` [net-next PATCH V2 5/9] net: frag, per CPU resource, mem limit and LRU list accounting Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 17:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 17:31 ` David Miller
2012-12-03 14:02 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-12-03 17:25 ` David Miller
2012-11-29 16:14 ` [net-next PATCH V2 6/9] net: frag, implement dynamic percpu alloc of frag_cpu_limit Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:15 ` [net-next PATCH V2 7/9] net: frag, move nqueues counter under LRU lock protection Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:15 ` [net-next PATCH V2 8/9] net: frag queue locking per hash bucket Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 17:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2012-11-30 12:55 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:16 ` [net-next PATCH V2 9/9] net: increase frag queue hash size and cache-line Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2012-11-29 16:39 ` [net-next PATCH V2 9/9] net: increase frag queue hash size andcache-line David Laight
2012-11-29 16:55 ` [net-next PATCH V2 9/9] net: increase frag queue hash size and cache-line Eric Dumazet
2012-11-29 20:53 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
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