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From: Damian Lukowski <damian@tvk.rwth-aachen.de>
To: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
Cc: Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com>, netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: TCP Connection teardown seems to violate TCP specification
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 07:32:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1376544760.3413.12.camel@nexus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <520BF8EB.4060800@hp.com>

Hi,

thanks for the elaborate answer. I put too much focus on the TCP state
diagram. Now I also found the passages in the RFCs.
RFC-793 states that "users must keep reading connections they close for
sending until the TCP says no more data", and RFC-1122 says
"If such a host issues a CLOSE call while received data is still
 pending in TCP, or if new data is received after CLOSE is called,
 its TCP SHOULD send a RST to show that data was lost".

So those RSTs are valid, and wget/curl don't read outstanding data
where they should.

Best regards
 Damian

Am Mittwoch, den 14.08.2013, 14:38 -0700 schrieb Rick Jones:
> On 08/14/2013 02:18 PM, Damian Lukowski wrote:
> > At least in curl, the close() seems to be implicit as it occurs
> > at the very end of the trace:
> >
> > close(3)                                = 0
> > exit_group(0)                           = ?
> > +++ exited with 0 +++
> >
> > Nevertheless, shouldn't the stack keep on reading the input
> > even if the local application is not interested in it?
> > The other side might rely on it, and I've seen webserver logs
> > which indicate SSL read errors likely because of this.
> 
> Ignoring for a moment the SSL matter, if you get a tutorial on (BSD) 
> sockets or a copy of the works of the likes of the late W. Richard 
> Stevens you will find that the semantics of close() are such that there 
> is no way for the received data to be consumed by an application - it no 
> longer has a reference to the socket, so to where can the data go?
> 
> If then data arrives, what is TCP to do?  Clearly, from the standpoint 
> of TCP, something is amiss.  The local application has indicated it is 
> not expecting any more data (by calling close()) and more data has 
> arrived.  TCP could discard the data and not ACK it, which would simply 
> leave the remote TCP retransmitting until a limit was reached at the 
> remote.  TCP could bit-bucket the data and send-back ACKs, but that is 
> giving a false sense of "success" to the remote application.  So, TCP 
> does the only thing it can do - it sends a Reset (RST) segment back to 
> the sender.  This then is an indication that something went wrong - in 
> this case there was an application-layer error.  Sadly, TCP has no way 
> to say that rather than some other TCP-level error - it has just the one 
> RST bit.
> 
> If the other side relies on the data it is sending being consumed, and 
> the local side close()es, that is an indication of an application-layer 
> failure - they did not "handshake" their goodbye correctly.
> 
> Also, close() is not the half-close of which you read in the TCP RFC. 
> In the BSD Sockets interface (not to be confused with the "sockets" 
> mentioned in the RFC) the call one makes to effect a half-close of a 
> connection is shutdown(SHUT_WR).  In that case, the application retains 
> a reference to the socket, and so can consume data until the remote end 
> itself then calls either SHUTDOWN(SHUT_WR) or close() (close() being OK 
> here at the remote because the connection is already half-closed so the 
> remote isn't going to be receiving any data in the first place).
> 
> So, at the client side or more accurately the side initiating TCP 
> connection shutdown the sequence should be something like:
> 
> 1) shutdown(SHUT_WR) - this will cause TCP to send a FINished segment to 
> the remote TCP, and the remote TCP will indicate this to the remote 
> application via a read return of zero.
> 2) wait for a read return of zero, perhaps bit bucketing data - this 
> read return of zero will indicate that the remote application has gotten 
> the notification and has itself closed
> 3) close()
> 
> Now, step two can be ever so slightly problematic - how long to wait?
> 
> As for SSL...  I cannot begin to pretend to be an SSL protocol expert, 
> but in looking at some traces recently, and at one of the more recent 
> RFCs, I think they have a slight hole in their specification.  The 
> (current?) spec says that an SSL Close Notify alert message is to be 
> sent (exchanged?) when terminating the SSL session.  The specs also say 
> that a client can just send the Close Notify and go away. (eg a close - 
> implicit or explicit)
> 
> Trouble is, the remote side will want to send a Close Notify of its own. 
>   If the client has Close Notified and scooted, or even just close()ed 
> without a Close Notify sent, the remote/server's Close Notify will hit 
> the client's TCP stack and elicit a RST segment.  Even better is when 
> there is a statefull firewall between client and server, which then 
> closes-off the four-tuple.  If that RST is lost on the way back to the 
> server, the server TCP will continue retransmitting the Close Notify 
> message, which will hit the firewall and be dropped.  The firewall may 
> then log "Hey, I dropped this packet trying to get in" entries for each 
> of those retransmissions, which then may cause people looking at said 
> logs to become "concerned..."
> 
> rick jones
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-15  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-14 19:21 TCP Connection teardown seems to violate TCP specification Damian Lukowski
2013-08-14 19:50 ` Yuchung Cheng
2013-08-14 20:14   ` Rick Jones
2013-08-14 21:18     ` Damian Lukowski
2013-08-14 21:38       ` Rick Jones
2013-08-15  5:32         ` Damian Lukowski [this message]
2013-08-15  0:19       ` David Miller
2013-08-14 20:46   ` Damian Lukowski

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