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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>
Cc: Jonathan Davies <Jonathan.Davies@eu.citrix.com>,
	Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org
Subject: Re: TSQ accounting skb->truesize degrades throughput for large packets
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 05:57:48 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1378472268.31445.15.camel@edumazet-glaptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130906101635.GI14104@zion.uk.xensource.com>

On Fri, 2013-09-06 at 11:16 +0100, Wei Liu wrote:
> Hi Eric
> 
> I have some questions regarding TSQ and I hope you can shed some light
> on this.
> 
> Our observation is that with the default TSQ limit (128K), throughput
> for Xen network driver for large packets degrades. That's because we now
> only have 1 packet in queue.
> 
> I double-checked that skb->len is indeed <64K. Then I discovered that
> TSQ actually accounts for skb->truesize and the packets generated had
> skb->truesize > 64K which effectively prevented us from putting 2
> packets in queue.
> 
> There seems to be no way to limit skb->truesize inside driver -- the skb
> is already constructed when it comes to xen-netfront.
> 

What is the skb->truesize value then ? It must be huge, and its clearly
a problem, because the tcp _receiver_ will also grow its window slower,
if packet is looped back.

> My questions are:
>   1) I see the comment in tcp_output.c saying: "TSQ : sk_wmem_alloc
>      accounts skb truesize, including skb overhead. But thats OK", I
>      don't quite understand why it is OK.
>   2) presumably other drivers will suffer from this as well, is it
>      possible to account for skb->len instead of skb->truesize?

Well, I have no problem to get line rate on 20Gb with a single flow, so
other drivers have no problem.

>   3) if accounting skb->truesize is on purpose, does that mean we only
>      need to tune that value instead of trying to fix our driver (if
>      there is a way to)?

The check in TCP allows for two packets at least, unless a single skb
truesize is 128K ?


if (atomic_read(&sk->sk_wmem_alloc) >= sysctl_tcp_limit_output_bytes) {
    set_bit(TSQ_THROTTLED, &tp->tsq_flags);
    break;
}

So if a skb->truesize is 100K, this condition allows two packets, before
throttling the third packet.

Its actually hard to account for skb->len, because sk_wmem_alloc
accounts for skb->truesize : I do not want to add another
sk->sk_wbytes_alloc new atomic field.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-06 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-06 10:16 TSQ accounting skb->truesize degrades throughput for large packets Wei Liu
2013-09-06 12:57 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2013-09-06 13:12   ` Wei Liu
2013-09-06 16:36   ` Zoltan Kiss
2013-09-06 16:56     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-09  9:27       ` Jason Wang
2013-09-09 13:47         ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-10  7:45           ` Jason Wang
2013-09-10 12:35             ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-06 17:00     ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-07 17:21       ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-09 21:41         ` Zoltan Kiss
2013-09-09 21:56           ` Eric Dumazet
     [not found]             ` <loom.20130921T045654-573@post.gmane.org>
     [not found]               ` <20130921150327.GA9078@zion.uk.xensource.com>
2013-09-22  2:36                 ` [Xen-devel] " Cong Wang
2013-09-22 14:58                   ` Eric Dumazet
2013-09-27 10:28                     ` [PATCH] tcp: TSQ can use a dynamic limit Eric Dumazet
2013-09-27 15:08                       ` Neal Cardwell
2013-09-29 15:41                       ` Cong Wang
2013-10-01  3:52                       ` David Miller
2013-09-09  5:28       ` TSQ accounting skb->truesize degrades throughput for large packets Cong Wang

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