From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
To: Michael Stone <michael@laptop.org>
Cc: "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>, "David Lang" <david@lang.hm>,
"Oliver Hartkopp" <socketcan@hartkopp.net>,
"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
"Herbert Xu" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
"Bryan Donlan" <bdonlan@gmail.com>,
"Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>,
"C. Scott Ananian" <cscott@cscott.net>,
"James Morris" <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
"Bernie Innocenti" <bernie@codewiz.org>,
"Mark Seaborn" <mrs@mythic-beasts.com>,
"Randy Dunlap" <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>,
"Américo Wang" <xiyou.wangcong@gmail.com>,
"Tetsuo Handa" <penguin-kernel@i-love.sakura.ne.jp>,
"Samir Bellabes" <sam@synack.fr>,
"Casey Schaufler" <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:24:49 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <14145.1262035489@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:31:09 EST." <20091228163108.GC13266@heat>
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On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:31:09 EST, Michael Stone said:
> > Actually it does. Policy may well be "If the network works, noone can
> > log in locally, because administration is normally done over
> > network. If the network fails, larger set of people is allowed in,
> > because something clearly went wrong and we want anyone going around
> > to fix it."
>
> Have you actually seen this security policy in real life? I ask because it
> seems quite far-fetched to me. Networks are just too easy to attack. Seems to
> me, from this casual description, that you're just asking to be ARP- or
> DNS-poisoned and rooted with this one.
Actually, I've seen a *lot* of similar "if things fail, more people can login
to fix it" policies. For instance, a default Fedora box will require a root
password to login - but if you can't get to multi-user because the box is
scrozzled and boot into single user, no root password is required.
So if you're using Fedora and LDAP authentication, and reboot to single-user
to fix an LDAP issue, you do in fact have that policy in real life...
(And before you start shouting "but that's a stupid config to make root login
depend on LDAP", note that for many Microsoft Active Directory shops, they add
machines with Administrator rights for an Active Directory group, and then
disable local Administrator, which is exactly the same thing... Stupid or
not, it's a *very* common policy.)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-12-28 21:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-27 1:04 RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] Security: Add disablenetwork interface. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 3:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 1:21 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:26 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 7:53 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-29 1:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-30 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-30 18:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 1:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-30 18:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 14:31 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:11 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 21:44 ` James Morris
2010-01-10 21:54 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 21:58 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:40 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 1:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2010-01-11 1:45 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-11 17:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-12 6:10 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-12 15:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 9:23 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-14 15:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-14 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-14 16:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100114171309.GA6372@heat>
2010-01-14 17:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:10 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Remove a TOCTTOU race by passing flags by value Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:12 ` disablenetwork (v5): Simplify the disablenetwork sendmsg hook Michael Stone
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable disablenetwork Michael Stone
2010-01-17 2:58 ` Andrew G. Morgan
[not found] ` <20100117044825.GA2712@heat>
2010-01-17 4:58 ` disablenetwork (v5): Require CAP_SETPCAP to enable Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-18 19:30 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-15 8:13 ` disablenetwork (v5): Update documentation for PR_NETWORK_ENABLE_DN Michael Stone
2010-01-17 6:01 ` disablenetwork (v5) patches Kyle Moffett
[not found] ` <20100117180728.GA2848@heat>
2010-01-17 21:17 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-11 1:46 ` [PATCH 2/3] Security: Implement disablenetwork semantics. (v4) Casey Schaufler
2010-01-12 3:19 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 4:01 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 12:01 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 2:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-12 7:59 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-12 14:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-14 9:22 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-18 12:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-01-18 15:56 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-10 22:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2010-01-10 23:08 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-10 23:41 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 1:50 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-11 2:15 ` Bryan Donlan
2010-01-11 11:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-10 22:58 ` James Morris
2009-12-27 1:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] Security: Document disablenetwork. (v4) Michael Stone
2009-12-27 1:39 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 16:25 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 8:36 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 11:49 ` Tetsuo Handa
2009-12-27 12:18 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 15:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 15:47 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 16:12 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-27 16:36 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-27 18:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 19:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 6:07 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 10:10 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 14:37 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 20:55 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-28 21:33 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 6:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 15:06 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-28 21:08 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-28 21:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks [this message]
2009-12-28 18:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 5:01 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 5:56 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:31 ` Michael Stone
2009-12-29 11:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 15:11 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 16:05 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 16:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 17:01 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 19:08 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 20:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 21:27 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 21:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-29 22:16 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-29 20:10 ` Benny Amorsen
2009-12-29 20:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 20:43 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:11 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:14 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-29 21:35 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-29 21:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 22:36 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 3:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:50 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:00 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:35 ` [RFC][PATCH] Unprivileged: Disable acquisition of privileges Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 3:54 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 4:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 4:57 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-30 12:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 12:49 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] Unprivileged: Disable raising " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 14:52 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-30 18:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 20:17 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 21:15 ` [RFC][PATCH v3] " Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-30 21:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 2:44 ` Bryan Donlan
2009-12-31 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 17:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 18:20 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2009-12-31 18:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 14:43 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 14:53 ` Pavel Machek
2010-01-01 16:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-01-01 21:35 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-01 22:39 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 23:18 ` Casey Schaufler
2010-01-02 0:42 ` Peter Dolding
[not found] ` <4B3FB0FC.3030809@schaufler-ca.com>
2010-01-03 1:43 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 18:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 21:46 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-01-01 21:17 ` Andrew G. Morgan
2010-01-01 14:57 ` Alan Cox
2009-12-31 8:57 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-31 13:00 ` Samir Bellabes
2009-12-31 14:08 ` Peter Dolding
2009-12-31 17:06 ` Alan Cox
2010-01-01 0:12 ` Peter Dolding
2010-01-01 10:28 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-31 15:25 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-31 16:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-30 18:29 ` [RFC][PATCH v2] " Serge E. Hallyn
2009-12-30 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 18:03 ` RFC: disablenetwork facility. (v4) Eric W. Biederman
2009-12-29 16:06 ` Michael Stone
2010-01-01 15:11 ` Pavel Machek
2009-12-27 8:51 ` Al Viro
2009-12-27 11:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2009-12-27 12:45 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-27 15:55 ` Michael Stone
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