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On 25.05.22 19:21, Dave Taht wrote:
> Sigh. Ideally we are trying to keep latency low by deeply understanding 
> current conditions. Batching up anything on this large interval feels 
> wrong. Powersave and beacons become "beating" frequencies.
Shorter intervals (or even doing it without batching at all) will likely 
lead to much more fluctuation, which could make the average less useful.
I think batching it up will likely be beneficial for protocols like 
batman-adv.

- Felix