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From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: "David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>,
	Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com>,
	Soheil Hassas Yeganeh <soheil@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp: remove non GSO code
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:39:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1519141172.55655.21.camel@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <34197c670230376051d3830704f18e85@natalenko.name>

On Tue, 2018-02-20 at 10:32 +0100, Oleksandr Natalenko wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> 19.02.2018 20:56, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > Switching TCP to GSO mode, relying on core networking layers
> > to perform eventual adaptation for dumb devices was overdue.
> > 
> > 1) Most TCP developments are done with TSO in mind.
> > 2) Less high-resolution timers needs to be armed for TCP-pacing
> > 3) GSO can benefit of xmit_more hint
> > 4) Receiver GRO is more effective (as if TSO was used for real on 
> > sender)
> >    -> less ACK packets and overhead.
> > 5) Write queues have less overhead (one skb holds about 64KB of 
> > payload)
> > 6) SACK coalescing just works. (no payload in skb->head)
> > 7) rtx rb-tree contains less packets, SACK is cheaper.
> > 8) Removal of legacy code. Less maintenance hassles.
> > 
> > Note that I have left the sendpage/zerocopy paths, but they probably 
> > can
> > benefit from the same strategy.
> > 
> > Thanks to Oleksandr Natalenko for reporting a performance issue for
> > BBR/fq_codel,
> > which was the main reason I worked on this patch series.
> 
> Thanks for dealing with this that fast.
> 
> Does this mean that the option to optimise internal TCP pacing is still 
> an open question?

It is not an optimization that is needed, but taking into account that
highres timers can have latencies of ~2 usec or more.

When sending 64KB TSO packets, having extra 2 usec after every ~54 usec
(at 10Gbit) has no big impact, since TCP computes a slightly inflated
pacing rate anyway.

But when sending one MSS/packet every usec, this definitely can
demonstrate a big slowdown.

But the anser is yes, I will take a look at this timer drift.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-20 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-19 19:56 [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp: remove non GSO code Eric Dumazet
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 1/6] tcp: switch to GSO being always on Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20  1:22   ` kbuild test robot
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 2/6] tcp: remove sk_can_gso() use Eric Dumazet
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 3/6] tcp: remove sk_check_csum_caps() Eric Dumazet
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 4/6] tcp: tcp_sendmsg() only deals with CHECKSUM_PARTIAL Eric Dumazet
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 5/6] tcp: remove dead code from tcp_set_skb_tso_segs() Eric Dumazet
2018-02-19 19:56 ` [PATCH net-next 6/6] tcp: remove dead code after CHECKSUM_PARTIAL adoption Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20  1:45 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp: remove non GSO code Soheil Hassas Yeganeh
2018-02-20  9:32 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-20 15:39   ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2018-02-20 18:57     ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20 19:35       ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-20 19:39         ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20 19:51           ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-20 19:56             ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20 20:06               ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-20 20:09               ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-20 20:45                 ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-20 23:21                   ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-21  6:14                     ` Oleksandr Natalenko
2018-02-21 14:43                     ` [PATCH net] tcp_bbr: better deal with suboptimal GSO Eric Dumazet
2018-02-21 15:01                       ` Paolo Abeni
2018-02-21 15:09                         ` Eric Dumazet
2018-02-21 15:55                           ` Paolo Abeni
2018-02-21 15:14                       ` Neal Cardwell
2018-02-21 15:18                         ` Soheil Hassas Yeganeh
2018-02-22 19:16                       ` David Miller
2018-02-21 19:37 ` [PATCH net-next 0/6] tcp: remove non GSO code David Miller
2018-02-28 20:10   ` Marcelo Ricardo Leitner

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