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From: Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>
To: mellia@prezzemolo.polito.it
Cc: Robert Olsson <Robert.Olsson@data.slu.se>,
	P@draigBrady.com, e1000-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jorge Manuel Finochietto <jorge.finochietto@polito.it>,
	Giulio Galante <galante@polito.it>,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:58:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16807.28351.85268.219176@robur.slu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1101484740.24742.213.camel@mellia.lipar.polito.it>


Marco Mellia writes:

 > >  Touching the packet-data givs a major impact. See eth_type_trans
 > >  in all profiles.
 > 
 > That's exactly what we removed from the driver code: touching the packet
 > limit the reception rate at about 1.1Mpps, while avoiding to check the
 > eth_type_trans actually allows to receive 100% of packets.
 > 
 > skb are de/allocated using standard kernel memory management. Still,
 > without touching the packet, we can receive 100% of them.

 Right. I recall I tried something similar but as I only have pktgen
 as sender I could only verify this to pktgen TX speed about 860 kpps
 for PIII box I mentioned. This w. UP and one NIC.

 > When IP-forwarding is considered, no more we hit the transmission limit
 > (using NAPI, and your buffer recycling patch, as mentioned on the paper
 > and on the slides... If no buffer recycling is adopted, performance drop
 > a bit)
 > So it seemd to us that the major bottleneck is due to the transmission
 > limit.
 > 
 > Again, you can get numbers and more details from
 > 
 > http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/~mellia/euroTLC.pdf
 > http://www.tlc-networks.polito.it/mellia/papers/Euro_qos_ip.pdf

 Nice. Seems we getting close to click w. NAPI and recycling. The skb
 recycling is outdated as it adds to much complexity to the kernel. I got 
 some idea how make a much more lighweight variant... If you feel hacking 
 I can outline the idea so you can try it.

 > >  OK. Good to know about e1000. Networking is most DMA's and CPU is used 
 > >  adminstating it this is the challange.
 > 
 > That's true. There is still the chance that the limit is due to hardware
 > CRC calculation (which must be added to the ethernet frame by the
 > nic...). But we're quite confortable that that is not the limit, since
 > in the reception path the same operation must be performed...

 OK!

 > >  Even you could try to fill TX as soon as the HW says there are available
 > >  buffers. This could even be done from TX-interrupt.
 > 
 > Are you suggesting to modify packetgen to be more aggressive?

 Well it could be useful at least as an experiment. Our lab would be 
 happy...

 > >  Small packet performance is dependent on low latency. Higher bus speed
 > >  gives shorter latency but also on higher speed buses there use to be  
 > >  bridges that adds latency.
 > 
 > That's true. We suspect that the limit is due to bus latency. But still,
 > we are surprised, since the bus allows to receive 100%, but to transmit
 > up to ~50%. Moreover the raw aggerate bandwidth of the buffer is _far_
 > larger (133MHz*64bit ~ 8gbit/s
 
 Have a look at graph in the pktgen paper presented at Linux-Kongress in
 Erlangen 2004. It seems like even at 8gbit/s thsi is limiting small 
 packet TX performance.

 ftp://robur.slu.se/pub/Linux/net-development/pktgen-testing/pktgen_paper.pdf 

						--ro

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-11-26 17:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1101467291.24742.70.camel@mellia.lipar.polito.it>
2004-11-26 14:05 ` [E1000-devel] Transmission limit P
2004-11-26 15:31   ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 19:56     ` jamal
2004-11-29 14:21       ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-30 13:46         ` jamal
2004-12-02 17:24           ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 20:06     ` jamal
2004-11-26 20:56     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-26 21:02       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-27  9:25     ` Harald Welte
     [not found]       ` <20041127111101.GC23139@xi.wantstofly.org>
2004-11-27 11:31         ` Harald Welte
2004-11-27 20:12       ` Cesar Marcondes
2004-11-29  8:53       ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 14:50         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-30  8:42           ` Marco Mellia
2004-12-01 12:25             ` jamal
2004-12-02 13:39               ` Marco Mellia
2004-12-03 13:07                 ` jamal
2004-11-26 15:40   ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-26 15:59     ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-26 16:57       ` P
2004-11-26 20:01         ` jamal
2004-11-29 10:19           ` P
2004-11-29 13:09           ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-29 20:16             ` David S. Miller
2004-12-01 16:47               ` Robert Olsson
2004-11-30 13:31             ` jamal
2004-11-30 13:46               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-30 14:25                 ` jamal
2004-12-01  0:11                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01  1:09                     ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-01 15:34                       ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-01 16:49                         ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-01 17:37                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 17:54                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 18:23                           ` Robert Olsson
2004-12-02 23:25                             ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-03  5:23                             ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-10 16:24                             ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-01 18:29                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01 21:35                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-02  6:13                           ` Scott Feldman
2004-12-03 13:24                             ` jamal
2004-12-05 14:50                             ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit) Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:03                               ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 15:15                                 ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:19                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 15:30                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:00                                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:11                                         ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:38                                           ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 18:14                                             ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 15:42                                 ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 16:48                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:01                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-05 17:58                                     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:44                                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:51                                     ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-05 17:54                                       ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-06 11:32                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: " jamal
2004-12-06 12:11                                           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06 12:20                                             ` jamal
2004-12-06 12:23                                               ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06 12:30                                                 ` Martin Josefsson
2004-12-06 13:11                                                   ` jamal
     [not found]                                                     ` <20041206132907.GA13411@xi.wantstofly.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <16820.37049.396306.295878@robur.slu.se>
2004-12-06 17:32                                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] " P
2004-12-08 23:36                                   ` Ray Lehtiniemi
     [not found]                                     ` <41B825A5.2000009@draigBrady.com>
     [not found]                                       ` <20041209161825.GA32454@mail.com>
2004-12-09 17:12                                         ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 P
     [not found]                                         ` <20041209164820.GB32454@mail.com>
2004-12-09 17:19                                           ` P
2004-12-09 23:25                                             ` Ray Lehtiniemi
2004-12-05 21:12                                 ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: Re: [E1000-devel] Transmission limit) Scott Feldman
2004-12-05 21:25                                   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-06  1:23                                     ` 1.03Mpps on e1000 (was: " Scott Feldman
2004-12-02 17:31                       ` [E1000-devel] Transmission limit Marco Mellia
2004-12-03 20:57                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-04 10:36                         ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-12-01 12:08                     ` jamal
2004-12-01 15:24                       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-26 17:58       ` Robert Olsson [this message]
2004-11-27 20:00   ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 12:44     ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 15:19       ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 17:32         ` Marco Mellia
2004-11-29 19:08           ` Lennert Buytenhek
2004-11-29 19:09             ` Lennert Buytenhek

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