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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <Martin.Bligh@us.ibm.com>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>, hadi@cyberus.ca
Cc: tcw@tempest.prismnet.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, Nivedita Singhvi <niv@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Early SPECWeb99 results on 2.5.33 with TSO on e1000
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 23:48:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <18563262.1031269721@[10.10.2.3]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020905.204721.49430679.davem@redhat.com>

>    I would think shoving the data down the NIC
>    and avoid the fragmentation shouldnt give you that much significant
>    CPU savings.
> 
> It's the DMA bandwidth saved, most of the specweb runs on x86 hardware
> is limited by the DMA throughput of the PCI host controller.  In
> particular some controllers are limited to smaller DMA bursts to
> work around hardware bugs.
> 
> Ie. the headers that don't need to go across the bus are the critical
> resource saved by TSO.

I'm not sure that's entirely true in this case - the Netfinity
8500R is slightly unusual in that it has 3 or 4 PCI buses, and
there's 4 - 8 gigabit ethernet cards in this beast spread around
different buses (Troy - are we still just using 4? ... and what's
the raw bandwidth of data we're pushing? ... it's not huge). 

I think we're CPU limited (there's no idle time on this machine), 
which is odd for an 8 CPU 900MHz P3 Xeon, but still, this is Apache,
not Tux. You mentioned CPU load as another advantage of TSO ... 
anything we've done to reduce CPU load enables us to run more and 
more connections (I think we started at about 260 or something, so 
2900 ain't too bad ;-)).

Just to throw another firework into the fire whilst people are 
awake, NAPI does not seem to scale to this sort of load, which
was disappointing, as we were hoping it would solve some of 
our interrupt load problems ... seems that half the machine goes
idle, the number of simultaneous connections drop way down, and
everything's blocked on ... something ... not sure what ;-)
Any guesses at why, or ways to debug this?

M.

PS. Anyone else running NAPI on SMP? (ideally at least 4-way?)

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-06  6:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-05 18:30 Early SPECWeb99 results on 2.5.33 with TSO on e1000 Troy Wilson
2002-09-05 20:59 ` jamal
2002-09-05 22:11   ` Troy Wilson
2002-09-05 22:39     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-05 23:01       ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-05 22:48   ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06  1:47     ` jamal
2002-09-06  3:38       ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06  3:58         ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06  4:20           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06  4:17             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-07  0:05         ` Troy Wilson
2002-09-06  3:56       ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06  3:47   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06  6:48     ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2002-09-06  6:51       ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06  7:36         ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-06  7:22           ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06  9:54             ` jamal
2002-09-06 14:29         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 15:38           ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-06 16:11             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 16:21             ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06 15:29       ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-06 16:29         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 17:36           ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-06 18:26             ` Andi Kleen
2002-09-06 18:33               ` Dave Hansen
2002-09-06 18:36                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 18:45                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 18:43                     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:19               ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06 19:21                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:45                   ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06 19:26                 ` Andi Kleen
2002-09-06 19:24                   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:45                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 17:26       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 17:37         ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 18:19           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 18:26             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 18:36               ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 18:51                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 18:48                   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:05                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 19:01                       ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 20:29                   ` Alan Cox
2002-09-06 18:34             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 18:57               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 18:58                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:52                   ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 19:49                     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 20:03                       ` Gerrit Huizenga
2002-09-06 23:48       ` Troy Wilson
2002-09-11  9:11       ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-11 14:10         ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-11 15:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-11 15:15             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-11 15:31               ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-09-11 15:27             ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-12  7:28     ` Todd Underwood
2002-09-12 12:30       ` jamal
2002-09-12 13:57         ` Todd Underwood
2002-09-12 14:11           ` Alan Cox
2002-09-12 14:41             ` todd-lkml
2002-09-12 23:12         ` David S. Miller
2002-09-13 21:59           ` todd-lkml
2002-09-13 22:04             ` David S. Miller
2002-09-15 20:16               ` jamal
2002-09-16  4:23                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-16 14:16               ` todd-lkml
2002-09-16 19:52                 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-16 21:32                   ` todd-lkml
2002-09-16 21:29                     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-16 22:53                       ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 22:46                         ` David S. Miller
2002-09-16 23:03                           ` David Woodhouse
2002-09-16 23:08                             ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16 23:02                               ` David S. Miller
2002-09-16 23:48                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-16 23:43                                   ` David S. Miller
2002-09-17  0:01                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2002-09-17 10:31                   ` jamal
2002-09-13 22:12             ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-12 17:18       ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-06 23:56   ` Troy Wilson
2002-09-06 23:52     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-07  0:18     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2002-09-07  0:27       ` Troy Wilson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-09-05 20:47 Feldman, Scott
2002-09-06 11:44 Robert Olsson
2002-09-06 14:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2002-09-06 15:38   ` Robert Olsson
2002-09-06 18:35 Manfred Spraul
2002-09-06 18:38 ` David S. Miller
2002-09-06 19:40   ` Manfred Spraul
2002-09-06 19:34     ` David S. Miller
2002-09-10 12:02       ` Robert Olsson
2002-09-10 16:55         ` Manfred Spraul
2002-09-11  7:46           ` Robert Olsson
2002-09-10 14:59 Mala Anand

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