From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-1.web.codeaurora.org [10.30.226.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 116FA139F for ; Tue, 7 May 2024 02:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1715047538; cv=none; b=Q419WItnWgqlUGQx2mHsbxJ5tdD5ERVQ0YRpurxSjIVwvxMFh8pSspyOM9tnK/XBs8ZJlAXoOleDvIs2XX1BL3+AOdsJXgfV1gQVgeeOhEv7KmtQgr4LeKYpygGT7Mn44lb7B8oq9p1ILMuI9T/Di9HXYe04jFSue69Ci1n4F2Y= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1715047538; c=relaxed/simple; bh=GNYpfqKrL2CCW6T0OZ3Wv9MtRoiI92O/W/TSYoQJ4tw=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=MCNbFJ0vZGELY2QfYEWK04loClvh2M2Ca+DkqeLfOJzm9OI43IFSsn/u4eqht0Aju4fh9gwFhkridBs7aHQ+O6ObYgAFeb8o6H2JOY1VtnxFET7NAevCUwvhSv51iWNq4tY94VMmgGQu6qfd2jCGrpofDVFB0KXO2twibihlmY4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=ehue6E4P; arc=none smtp.client-ip=10.30.226.201 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="ehue6E4P" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 55B4DC116B1; Tue, 7 May 2024 02:05:37 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1715047537; bh=GNYpfqKrL2CCW6T0OZ3Wv9MtRoiI92O/W/TSYoQJ4tw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=ehue6E4PXgNpWtI5sc8FjAh44vP8KlszPHa/J6IqpWHDhKZJiZJQNFdZjw+aj00v1 QIqmrOMYTgCWvHFQov8ipoysnKjqAQ3PNwW4eryO8f92rLQhYMxZJYe83uMh/fem9K f/sdpMzr5ypViIKoGm1njtQdri8gaBfK7xdogHwOCb4wdfKTw3G3BxG/cy5CVOp11s wdmsNpSuq/eKwAK4dry2qEG0SxHJnvPxkUIZI5Z1F8u+aBghRmFRk8HGwd45TImeje PDGcpC6ajoDyukud3rrVPnv50izrja8+0jpG3Yb5s/t7hVeGbgtBrUNNYvGyKIm2qK mCnrn7j1F8B0g== Message-ID: <1c36d251-0218-4e9d-b6e3-0d477a5e6a02@kernel.org> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 20:05:36 -0600 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: netdev@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Driver and H/W APIs Workshop at netdevconf Content-Language: en-US To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Jacob Keller , Alexander Lobakin , Saeed Mahameed , Tariq Toukan , Jason Gunthorpe , Andrew Gospodarek , "michael.chan@broadcom.com" , "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , Jiri Pirko , Alexander Duyck References: <20240506180632.2bfdc996@kernel.org> From: David Ahern In-Reply-To: <20240506180632.2bfdc996@kernel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 5/6/24 7:06 PM, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Mon, 6 May 2024 13:59:31 -0600 David Ahern wrote: >> Suggested topics based on recent netdev threads include >> - devlink - extensions, shortcomings, ... >> - extension to memory pools >> - new APIs for managing queues >> - challenges of netdev / IB co-existence (e.g., driven by AI workloads) >> - fwctl - a proposal for direct firmware access > > Memory pools and queue API are more of stack features. That require driver support, no? e.g., There is no way that queue API is going to work with the Enfabrica device without driver support. The point of the above is a list to motivate discussion based on recent topics. > Please leave them out of your fwctl session. fwctl is a discussion item not tied to anything else; let's not conflat topics here. That it is even on this list is because you brought netdev into a discussion that is not netdev related. Given that, let's give it proper daylight any topic deserves without undue bias and letting it dominate the bigger picture. > > Aren't people who are actually working on those things submitting > talks or hosting better scoped discussions? It appears you haven't > CCed any of them.. I have no idea. I started with a list of well known driver contacts and cc'ed netdev with an explicit statement that it is open to all.