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From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>,
	cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:05:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020608170511.B26821@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D01307C.4090503@candelatech.com>; from greearb@candelatech.com on Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:15:24PM -0700

On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 03:15:24PM -0700, Ben Greear wrote:
> David S. Miller wrote:
> > Your idea is totally useless for non-datagram sockets.
> > Only datagram sockets use the interfaces where you bump
> > the counters.
> > I don't like the patch, nor the idea behind it, at all.
> Datagram sockets are the ones that drop data though (tcp will
> deal with it via re-transmits).

Outside of the specific changes suggested by Chris, I can see a
requirement to be able to detect poor connections. While TCP/IP may
not drop packets from the perspective of user space applications,
TCP/IP packets do get lost. For certain applications that require high
bandwidth, or low latency, applications may be able to optimize code
paths by analyzing statistics related to the socket.

Datagram sockets are more straight forward to implement this for, but
that does not mean that TCP/IP does not have similar potential.

I am not certain what the exact requirement is for in Chris' cases,
but I do know that in his field, he is writing something far more
complicated and resource intensive than a telnet server.

mark

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-06-08 21:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-06 19:37 RFC: per-socket statistics on received/dropped packets Chris Friesen
2002-06-07  3:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-06-07 15:34   ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-07 22:15   ` Ben Greear
     [not found]   ` <3D01307C.4090503@candelatech.com>
2002-06-08 21:05     ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2002-06-08 23:04       ` David S. Miller
     [not found]       ` <20020608.160407.101346167.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-09  0:13         ` Ben Greear
     [not found]         ` <3D029DAF.5040006@candelatech.com>
2002-06-09  0:51           ` David S. Miller
     [not found]           ` <20020608.175108.84748597.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-09 18:23             ` Ben Greear
2002-06-10  4:34               ` David S. Miller
     [not found]               ` <20020609.213440.04716391.davem@redhat.com>
2002-06-10  5:55                 ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-10  6:08                 ` Ben Greear
2002-06-10 12:03                 ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-10 12:18                   ` David S. Miller
2002-06-10 12:24                     ` jamal
2002-06-10 13:57                       ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-10 14:45                         ` jamal
2002-06-10 14:56                           ` jamal
2002-06-10 19:28                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-10 19:28                           ` Chris Friesen
2002-06-11 22:41                 ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020611183218.29598A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
2002-06-12  3:41                   ` David S. Miller
2002-06-12  3:57                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2002-06-12  5:20                       ` Mark Mielke
     [not found]                       ` <20020612012004.A15773@mark.mielke.cc>
2002-06-12  6:08                         ` Pekka Savola
2002-06-12  9:18                         ` Sean Hunter
2002-06-09 14:47       ` Pekka Pietikäinen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206120905510.29780-100000@netcore.fi>
2002-06-12  6:26 ` Ben Greear
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0206120930160.29780-100000@netcore.fi>
2002-06-12  6:49 ` Ben Greear
     [not found] <Message from Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
     [not found] ` <3D06E9A0.5060801@candelatech.com>
2002-06-12  6:32   ` Pekka Savola
2002-06-12 12:11   ` Horst von Brand
     [not found]   ` <200206121211.g5CCBjZt030139@pincoya.inf.utfsm.cl>
2002-06-12 12:28     ` Lincoln Dale
     [not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020612224038.0251bd08@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-12 13:00 ` jamal
     [not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.30.0206120853320.799-100000@shell.cyberus.ca>
2002-06-12 14:53   ` Mark Mielke
2002-06-12 14:53   ` Mark Mielke
     [not found] ` <5.1.0.14.2.20020614100914.01adca48@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-14 15:51   ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found]   ` <1024069878.20676.1.camel@dell_ss3.pdx.osdl.net>
2002-06-14 18:09     ` Ben Greear
     [not found] <20020612105355.A20760@mark.mielke.cc>
2002-06-12 15:57 ` jamal
2002-06-12 17:00 ` Horst von Brand
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-12 20:30 Yan-Fa Li
2002-06-12 20:30 Yan-Fa Li
     [not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020612221925.0283fb18@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-12 12:33 ` jamal
2002-06-12 12:44   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-12 12:44   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-12 12:44   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-13  7:21 ` David Schwartz
     [not found] ` <20020613072155.AAA14363@shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2002-06-13  8:44   ` Lincoln Dale
2002-06-23  2:03 ` Alan Cox
     [not found] ` <E17LwjD-0003hT-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2002-06-23  2:05   ` Lincoln Dale
     [not found] <5.1.0.14.2.20020613183120.03222cb8@mira-sjcm-3.cisco.com>
2002-06-13 10:10 ` David Schwartz

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