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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: hadi@shell.cyberus.ca
Cc: sim@netnation.com, netdev@oss.sgi.com, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Route cache performance under stress
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 17:36:07 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030520.173607.88482742.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030520074848.U40843@shell.cyberus.ca>

   From: Jamal Hadi <hadi@shell.cyberus.ca>
   Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:04:00 -0400 (EDT)

   Note: It may make sense that we have options to totaly remove
   the cache lookups if necessary - noone has proved a need for it at
   this point.

There is a need, thinking otherwise is quite a narrow viewpoint :-)
Let me explain.

Forward looking, Alexey and myself plan to extend the per-cpu flow
cache we designed for IPSEC policy lookups to apply to routing
and socket lookup.  There are two reasons to make this:

1) Per-cpu'ness.
2) Input route lookup turns into a "flow" lookup and thus may
   give you a TCP socket, for example.  It is the most exciting
   part of this work.

It can even be applied to netfilter entries.  It really is the
grand unified theory of flow handling :-)  You can look to
net/core/flow.c, it is the initial prototype and it is working
and being used already for IPSEC policies.  There are only minor
adjustments necessary before we can begin trying to apply it to
other things, but Alexey and myself know how to make them.

So the real argument: Eliminating sourced based keying of input
routes is a flawed idea.  Firstly, independant of POLICY based routing
(which is what it was originally made for) being able to block by
source address on input is a useful feature.  Secondly, if one must
make "fib_validate_source()" on each input packet, it destroys all
the posibility to make per-cpu flow caching a reality.  This is
because fib_validate_source() must walk the inetdev list and thus
grab a shared SMP lock.

Note that any attempt to remove source based keying of routing cache
entries on input (or eliminating the cache entirely) has this problem.

It also becomes quite cumbersome to move all of this logic over to
ip_input() or similar.  And because it will always use a shared SMP
lock it is guarenteed to be slower than the cache especially for
well-behaved flows.  So keep in mind that not all traffic is DoS :-)

(As a side note, and interesting area of discourse would be to see
 if DoS traffic can be somehow patternized, either explicitly in
 the kernel or via descriptions from the user.  People do this today
 via netfilter, but I feel we might be able to do something more
 powerful at the flow caching level, ie. do not build cache entries
 for things looking like unary-packet DoS flow)

None of this means that slowpath should not be improved if necessary.
On the contrary, I would welcome good kernel profiling output from
someone such as sim@netnation during such stress tests.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-21  0:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87d6iit4g7.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
     [not found] ` <20030517.150933.74723581.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <87iss87gqd.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2003-05-18  9:31     ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-05-19 17:36       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-19 19:18         ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-05-19 22:37           ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:10             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-20  1:14               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  1:23                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:24                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  2:13                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  5:01                       ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20 11:47                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20 11:55                           ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 12:04                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-21  0:36                           ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-05-21 13:03                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-23  5:42                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22  8:40                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22  8:58                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 10:40                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:15                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  1:00                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  1:01                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  8:21                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  8:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  9:03                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  9:59                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-24  0:41                                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26  2:29                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:44                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22 13:03                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  0:55                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 22:33                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-29 20:51                                       ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 10:58                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 15:18                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 16:36                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 18:05                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 17:21                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 17:19                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  0:59                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  7:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-26  7:29                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:34                       ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-27  6:32                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 11:39                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 12:05                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 13:10                               ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 23:49                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-08 23:55                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  3:15                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:27                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  5:58                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:28                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:28                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 16:23                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-09 16:37                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:13                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:10                                               ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  8:27                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 19:38                                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 21:30                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:19                                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 22:54                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  6:21                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:40                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-15  6:36                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-17 17:03                                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09 22:56                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 23:05                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 13:41                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:03                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  0:32                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  1:15                                                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  2:45                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  3:23                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  3:41                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:21                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  4:34                                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10 11:01                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:28                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 13:18                                                                     ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:10                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 10:53                                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` chas williams
2003-06-10 16:27                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:57                                                                       ` chas williams
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` Pekka Savola
2003-06-10 11:58                                                                     ` John S. Denker
2003-06-10 12:12                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 16:33                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 12:07                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 15:29                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11 19:48                                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 19:40                                                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-11 21:09                                                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 13:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 13:36                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 14:03                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:38                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:39                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:41                                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 11:47                                                                     ` Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 18:41                                                                       ` Real World Routers 8-) Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 15:53                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:15                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:20                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 16:23                                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:02                                                                       ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:16                                                                         ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:14                                                                           ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:25                                                                             ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:30                                                                               ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:20                                                                                 ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 19:21                                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:18                                                                           ` 3c59x Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 17:29                                                                           ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:31                                                                             ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:39                                                                               ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:43                                                                                 ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-11 17:52                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  1:53                                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10  3:18                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:06                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 15:56                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:45                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:49                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  9:54                                                                     ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 10:05                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 10:38                                                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 17:12                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:19                                                                 ` Route cache performance under stress Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 15:49                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:33                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 17:32                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:34                                                                   ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 18:57                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:53                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 21:36                                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-10 21:39                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 22:20                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 23:58                                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 23:57                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:41                                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:51                                                                             ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:01                                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:15                                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:22                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:51                                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  3:33                                                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 11:54                                                                                         ` gettime: Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-12  3:30                                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12  6:32                                                                                               ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  8:46                                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 15:57                                                                                           ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  3:29                                                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:17                                                                                 ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  1:23                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  7:28                                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  7:25                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 17:40                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  5:38                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:22                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13 17:15                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12  6:45                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12 13:56                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12 21:35                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:50                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:56                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 11:38                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 11:55                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 12:18                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 12:32                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:22                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 13:22                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:56                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:39                                                 ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09  6:25                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:59                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  7:03                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:04                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 13:26                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:44                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  5:51                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:03                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:52                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:56                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:36                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:18                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:22                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:31                                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  9:01                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  9:47                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:03                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:13                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:13                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:40                                                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-06-09 10:40                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 14:14                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:47                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:49                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:28                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 16:30                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-17 20:58                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-09  5:38                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10  3:05                                 ` Steven Blake
2003-06-12  6:31                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 17:58                             ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-21  0:09                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-21  0:13                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:29                     ` Florian Weimer
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2003-04-05 18:17 ` Martin Josefsson

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