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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: xerox@foonet.net
Cc: sim@netnation.com, fw@deneb.enyo.de, netdev@oss.sgi.com,
	linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Route cache performance under stress
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:44:46 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030608.224446.78724665.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <001001c32e19$81bc7ea0$4a00000a@badass>

   From: "CIT/Paul" <xerox@foonet.net>
   Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 19:55:58 -0400

   The problem with the route cache as it stands is that it adds every new
   packet that isn't in the route cache to the cache, say you have 
   A denial of service attack going on, OR you just have millions of hosts
   going through the router (if you were an ISP).

We perform now rather acceptibly in such scenerios.   Robert Olsson
has demonstrated that even if the attacker could fill up your
entire bandwidth with random source address packets, we'd still
provide 50kpps routing speed.

And this can be made much higher because the performance limiter
is the routing cache GC which isn't tuned properly.  It can't keep
up because it doesn't try to purge the right amount entries each
pass.

All the performance problems I've seen have been algorithmic or
outright bugs.  Bad hash functions and limits in how big the FIB
hash tables would grow.  And what's left is fixing GC.

There is nothing AT ALL fundamental about a routing cache that
precludes it from behaving sanely in the presence of a random source
address DoS load.  Absolutely NOTHING.

   This can stifle just about any linux router with a measly 10
   megabits/second of traffic unless

Not true, that happens because of BUGs.  Not because routing caches
cannot behave sanely in such situations.

   The router is tuned up to a large degree (NAPI, certain nics, route
   cache timings, etc.) and even then it can still be destroyed no matter
   what

And today, this is because of BUGs in how the GC works.  You can
design the GC process so that it does the right thing and recycles
only the DoS entries (those being very non-localized).

You should interact with Robert Olsson who has been doing tests on the
effect of gigabit rate full-on DoS runs where every packet creates a
new routing cache entry.

Franks a lot,
David S. Miller
davem@redhat.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-09  5:44 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <87d6iit4g7.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
     [not found] ` <20030517.150933.74723581.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <87iss87gqd.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2003-05-18  9:31     ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-05-19 17:36       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-19 19:18         ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-05-19 22:37           ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:10             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-20  1:14               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  1:23                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:24                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  2:13                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  5:01                       ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20 11:47                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20 11:55                           ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 12:04                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-21  0:36                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-21 13:03                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-23  5:42                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22  8:40                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22  8:58                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 10:40                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:15                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  1:00                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  1:01                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  8:21                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  8:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  9:03                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  9:59                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-24  0:41                                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26  2:29                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:44                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22 13:03                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  0:55                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 22:33                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-29 20:51                                       ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 10:58                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 15:18                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 16:36                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 18:05                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 17:21                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 17:19                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  0:59                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  7:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-26  7:29                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:34                       ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-27  6:32                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 11:39                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 12:05                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 13:10                               ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 23:49                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-08 23:55                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  3:15                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:27                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  5:58                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:28                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:28                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 16:23                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-09 16:37                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:13                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:10                                               ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  8:27                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 19:38                                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 21:30                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:19                                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 22:54                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  6:21                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:40                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-15  6:36                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-17 17:03                                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09 22:56                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 23:05                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 13:41                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:03                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  0:32                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  1:15                                                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  2:45                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  3:23                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  3:41                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:21                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  4:34                                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10 11:01                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:28                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 13:18                                                                     ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:10                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 10:53                                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` chas williams
2003-06-10 16:27                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:57                                                                       ` chas williams
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` Pekka Savola
2003-06-10 11:58                                                                     ` John S. Denker
2003-06-10 12:12                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 16:33                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 12:07                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 15:29                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11 19:48                                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 19:40                                                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-11 21:09                                                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 13:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 13:36                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 14:03                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:38                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:39                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:41                                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 11:47                                                                     ` Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 18:41                                                                       ` Real World Routers 8-) Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 15:53                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:15                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:20                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 16:23                                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:02                                                                       ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:16                                                                         ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:14                                                                           ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:25                                                                             ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:30                                                                               ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:20                                                                                 ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 19:21                                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:18                                                                           ` 3c59x Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 17:29                                                                           ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:31                                                                             ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:39                                                                               ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:43                                                                                 ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-11 17:52                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  1:53                                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10  3:18                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:06                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 15:56                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:45                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:49                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  9:54                                                                     ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 10:05                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 10:38                                                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 17:12                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:19                                                                 ` Route cache performance under stress Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 15:49                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:33                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 17:32                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:34                                                                   ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 18:57                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:53                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 21:36                                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-10 21:39                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 22:20                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 23:58                                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 23:57                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:41                                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:51                                                                             ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:01                                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:15                                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:22                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:51                                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  3:33                                                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 11:54                                                                                         ` gettime: Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-12  3:30                                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12  6:32                                                                                               ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  8:46                                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 15:57                                                                                           ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  3:29                                                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:17                                                                                 ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  1:23                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  7:28                                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  7:25                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 17:40                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  5:38                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:22                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13 17:15                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12  6:45                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12 13:56                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12 21:35                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:50                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:56                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 11:38                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 11:55                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 12:18                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 12:32                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:22                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 13:22                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:56                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:39                                                 ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09  6:25                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:59                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  7:03                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:04                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 13:26                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:44                                     ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-06-09  5:51                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:03                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:52                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:56                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:36                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:18                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:22                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:31                                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  9:01                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  9:47                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:03                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:13                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:13                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:40                                                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-06-09 10:40                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 14:14                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:47                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:49                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:28                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 16:30                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-17 20:58                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-09  5:38                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10  3:05                                 ` Steven Blake
2003-06-12  6:31                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 17:58                             ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-21  0:09                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-21  0:13                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:29                     ` Florian Weimer
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2003-04-05 18:17 ` Martin Josefsson

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