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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: xerox@foonet.net
Cc: hadi@shell.cyberus.ca, sim@netnation.com, fw@deneb.enyo.de,
	netdev@oss.sgi.com, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Route cache performance under stress
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:58:37 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030608.225837.115923841.davem@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000701c32e47$ddd25290$4a00000a@badass>

   From: "CIT/Paul" <xerox@foonet.net>
   Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 01:27:48 -0400

   Ahah Jamal!! Yes I have tried.. It does absoutely nothing for the
   constant randomness of packets.
   It increases the overall distribution of the hash in the cache but it
   does nothing for the addition of new packets..
   Try fowarding packets generated by juno-z.101f.c and it adds EVERY
   packet to the route cache.. Every one. And at 30,000 pps
   It destroys the cache because every single packet coming in is NOT in
   the route cache because it's random ips.

So you make packets that do things like this GC the oldest
(LRU) routing cache entry.

This isn't rocket science, and well behaved flows will still get all
the benefits of the routing cache.

The only person penalized will be the attacker since his routing
cache entries will purge out quickly and as a response to HIS traffic.

   Nothing you can do

No, there are many things we can do.

Prove to me that routing caches are unable to behave acceptibly in
random source address DoS situations.

   (I'm not Even sure why this is necessary anyway.. Who would want to
   add every single src/dst flow to a cache?

Because %99 of traffic is well behaved flows, trains of packets.
Even the most loaded core routers see flow lifetimes of at least
8 or 9 packets.

Even if the flows lasted 3 packets, the input route lookup work
saved (source address validation in particular, which requires
access to a centralized global table and thus does not scale well
on SMP) is entriely worth it.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-09  5:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 217+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87d6iit4g7.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
     [not found] ` <20030517.150933.74723581.davem@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <87iss87gqd.fsf@deneb.enyo.de>
2003-05-18  9:31     ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-05-19 17:36       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-19 19:18         ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-05-19 22:37           ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:10             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-20  1:14               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  1:23                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  1:24                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20  2:13                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20  5:01                       ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20 11:47                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-20 11:55                           ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-20  6:46                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-20 12:04                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-21  0:36                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-21 13:03                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-05-23  5:42                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22  8:40                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22  8:58                               ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 10:40                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:15                                   ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  1:00                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  1:01                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  8:21                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  8:22                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  9:03                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-05-23  9:59                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-05-24  0:41                                     ` Andrew Morton
2003-05-26  2:29                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 11:44                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-22 13:03                                     ` Martin Josefsson
2003-05-23  0:55                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-05-22 22:33                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-29 20:51                                       ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 10:58                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 15:18                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-02 16:36                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-02 18:05                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 17:21                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 17:19                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-05-23  0:59                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  7:18                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-26  7:29                     ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:34                       ` Florian Weimer
2003-05-27  6:32                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 11:39                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 12:05                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 13:10                               ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-08 23:49                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-08 23:55                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  3:15                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:27                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  5:58                                         ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-06-09  6:28                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:28                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 16:23                                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-09 16:37                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:13                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:10                                               ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  8:27                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 19:38                                                   ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 21:30                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:19                                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09 22:54                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  6:21                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:40                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-15  6:36                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-17 17:03                                                             ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09 22:56                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09 23:05                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 13:41                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:03                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  0:32                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  1:15                                                             ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10  2:45                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10  3:23                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  3:41                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 18:21                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-10  4:34                                                                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10 11:01                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:28                                                                   ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 13:18                                                                     ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:10                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 10:53                                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` chas williams
2003-06-10 16:27                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:57                                                                       ` chas williams
2003-06-10 11:41                                                                   ` Pekka Savola
2003-06-10 11:58                                                                     ` John S. Denker
2003-06-10 12:12                                                                       ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 16:33                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 12:07                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 15:29                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11 19:48                                                                         ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 19:40                                                                           ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-11 21:09                                                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 13:10                                                                   ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 13:36                                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 14:03                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:38                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:39                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:41                                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-11 11:47                                                                     ` Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 18:41                                                                       ` Real World Routers 8-) Florian Weimer
2003-06-10 15:53                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:15                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:20                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 16:23                                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:02                                                                       ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:16                                                                         ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:14                                                                           ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:25                                                                             ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 17:30                                                                               ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:20                                                                                 ` 3c59x Jeff Garzik
2003-06-10 19:21                                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:18                                                                           ` 3c59x Andi Kleen
2003-06-10 17:29                                                                           ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:31                                                                             ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:39                                                                               ` 3c59x chas williams
2003-06-10 17:43                                                                                 ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-11 17:52                                                               ` Route cache performance under stress Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  1:53                                                             ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-10  3:18                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 16:06                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 15:56                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 16:45                                                                 ` 3c59x (was Route cache performance under stress) Bogdan Costescu
2003-06-10 16:49                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  9:54                                                                     ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 10:05                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 10:38                                                                         ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-10 17:12                                                                   ` 3c59x David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:19                                                                 ` Route cache performance under stress Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 15:49                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 17:33                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 17:32                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 18:34                                                                   ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 18:57                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 19:53                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10 21:36                                                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-10 21:39                                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 22:20                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10 23:58                                                                           ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-10 23:57                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:41                                                                               ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:58                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  0:51                                                                             ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:01                                                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:15                                                                                 ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  1:22                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:51                                                                                     ` Ben Greear
2003-06-11  3:33                                                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 11:54                                                                                         ` gettime: Was (Re: " Jamal Hadi
2003-06-11 12:08                                                                                           ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-12  3:30                                                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12  6:32                                                                                               ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  8:46                                                                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11 15:57                                                                                           ` Ben Greear
2003-06-12  3:29                                                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  1:17                                                                                 ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-11  1:23                                                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-11  7:28                                                                                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11  7:25                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-11 17:40                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13  5:38                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:22                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-13 17:15                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12  6:45                                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-12 13:56                                                                       ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-12 21:35                                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-13 10:50                                                                           ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-10  0:56                                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 11:38                                                 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 11:55                                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 12:18                                                     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 12:32                                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:22                                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09 13:22                                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:56                                               ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 22:39                                                 ` Robert Olsson
2003-06-09  6:25                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:59                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  7:03                                           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:04                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 13:26                                         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-09  5:44                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  5:51                                       ` CIT/Paul
2003-06-09  6:03                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:52                                           ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:56                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  7:36                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:18                                               ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  8:22                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  8:31                                                   ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  9:01                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  9:47                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:03                                                     ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:13                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2003-06-09 10:13                                                         ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 10:40                                                           ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2003-06-09 10:40                                                             ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 14:14                                                 ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09  6:47                                     ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-09  6:49                                       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-09 13:28                                       ` Ralph Doncaster
2003-06-09 16:30                                         ` Simon Kirby
2003-06-17 20:58                                           ` Florian Weimer
2003-06-09  5:38                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-10  3:05                                 ` Steven Blake
2003-06-12  6:31                                   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-08 17:58                             ` Pekka Savola
2003-05-21  0:09                 ` Simon Kirby
2003-05-21  0:13                   ` David S. Miller
2003-05-26  9:29                     ` Florian Weimer
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2003-04-05 18:17 ` Martin Josefsson

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