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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: paulus@samba.org, netdev@oss.sgi.com, fcusack@samba.org,
	carlson@workingcode.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH, untested] Support for PPPOE on SMP
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 13:57:09 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030626035824.D68B62C147@lists.samba.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:33:34 MST." <20030625.143334.85380461.davem@redhat.com>

In message <20030625.143334.85380461.davem@redhat.com> you write:
> 
> Why don't you just queue the payload packets in a "resolution queue"
> until the socket is created?  Just make the resolution queue packets
> timeout using a value that will easily exceed any reasonable PPP
> negotiation time.

Sure, that works in this case, where you know when you get the packet
that it's out of order.  But I wanted to see how ugly it got to do it
generally: a protocol where you can't tell until later that things
were in the wrong order can't use this technique.  Paul tells me that
multilink PPP assumes this (moral: don't do multilink PPPoE).

Anyway, my patch is fundamentally flawed: you can't do
cpu_raise_softirq() on another CPU, it's racy (*bad* *bad* interface).

> All this ordered packet arrival shit is just beyond stupid.

I want to know how often this is happening (Michal?), because if
protocols need ordering and can't tell, it becomes effectively a
packet drop somewhere down in the protocol.  If it's 1 in a million,
OK.  If it's 1 in a thousand, that's bad.

Frankly, I'm amazed anyone sees reordering in real life...
Thanks,
Rusty.
--
  Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-06-26  3:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-06-25  7:24 [PATCH, untested] Support for PPPOE on SMP Rusty Russell
2003-06-25 11:19 ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-25 13:21 ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 13:42   ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 15:45     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-25 17:27       ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 22:17         ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-25 22:56           ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 16:15   ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-25 16:22     ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-25 16:39       ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-25 17:07         ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-25 17:40           ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-25 18:00             ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 22:22           ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-25 22:53             ` Ben Greear
2003-06-25 21:33   ` David S. Miller
2003-06-25 22:06     ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-26  1:04       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-26  3:57     ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2003-06-26  3:59       ` David S. Miller
2003-06-26  8:17         ` Rusty Russell
2003-06-26  8:55           ` David S. Miller
2003-06-26 10:47             ` James Carlson
2003-06-26 10:51         ` James Carlson
2003-06-26 23:18           ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-27 11:39             ` James Carlson
2003-06-27 12:12               ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-27 13:19                 ` James Carlson
2003-06-27 14:59                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2003-06-27 15:27                   ` James Carlson
2003-06-28  2:21               ` Jamal Hadi
2003-06-28 22:51                 ` Frank Cusack
2003-06-26 11:37       ` Michal Ostrowski
2003-06-25 16:01 ` Jason Lunz

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