* Re: [PATCH Linux-2.6.7-bk19] prism54 freq to channel incorrect for 5GHz
2004-07-07 6:31 Margit Schubert-While
@ 2004-07-07 7:49 ` Bjørn Mork
2004-07-08 18:43 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-07-09 6:58 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bjørn Mork @ 2004-07-07 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Margit Schubert-While; +Cc: netdev, jgarzik, prism54-devel
margitsw@t-online.de (Margit Schubert-While) writes:
> Note that AFAIK, the 5GHz WLAN channels start at 34 (5.17 GHz)
> (but I am not sure)
802.11a defines all channels 0..200, i.e. all center frequencies from
5 to 6 GHz. But I don't know any country which allows usage of the 5 GHz
band below 5150 MHz, and the lowest channel should be at least 20 MHz
from the band edge, so 34 is probably the lowest channel that legally
can be used anywhere (and I believe 36 is the lowest allowed in the US?)
> and I don't know the top limit (except that
> it is <= 6GHz). Maybe somebody can shed light on this.
The highest available frequency (in Europe at least) is 5875 MHz.
Which would make 171 the highest available channel (given a 20 MHz
minimum distance from the center frequency to the band edge).
> Apparently Japan is doing something in the 10GHz band -
> will have to look for details.
That would require a new PHY standard.
Bjørn
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* Re: [PATCH Linux-2.6.7-bk19] prism54 freq to channel incorrect for 5GHz
2004-07-07 6:31 Margit Schubert-While
2004-07-07 7:49 ` Bjørn Mork
@ 2004-07-08 18:43 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2004-07-09 6:58 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Vladimir Kondratiev @ 2004-07-08 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netdev; +Cc: Margit Schubert-While, jgarzik, prism54-devel
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> Note that AFAIK, the 5GHz WLAN channels start at 34 (5.17 GHz)
> (but I am not sure) and I don't know the top limit (except that
> it is <= 6GHz). Maybe somebody can shed light on this.
> If there is a clear definition, that should be reflected int the code.
> And something similar for channel_to_freq.
> Apparently Japan is doing something in the 10GHz band -
> will have to look for details.
It is not 10 GHz band. They use the same 5 GHz band, exactly same frequencies,
but channel is twice narrower - 10Mhz instead of 20Mhz as usual 802.11.
In 10Mhz channels, they use 1/2 data rates as well. I.e.
(6,9,12,18,24,36,48,54) rates replaced by (3,4.5,6,9,12,18,24,27)
For frequencies, there are several documents. I'll try to summarize:
2.4Ghz band (as in code):
in 802.11b standard, 14 channels defined:
freq=channel*5 + 2407, channel=1..13
freq=2484, channel=14
Those "unofficial" frequencies are not defined. BTW, do anyone know document
desctibing them?
5Ghz band (as in code):
freq=channel*5 + 5000, channel=0..200 (from standard)
For valid channels, 802.11a standard says there are 3 bands (all in US):
1: 36,40,44,48
2: 52,56,60,64
3: 149,153,157,161
TGh (regulation in Europe) adds channels
100..140 with interval 4
Tgj (japan) spec adds new rules: 10Mhz channels I mentioned above, and channel
formula:
freq=channel*5+dot11ChannelStartingFrequency; where
dot11ChannelStartingFrequency may be 4000 or 5000 (as for .11a)
For channels 183 and above, it is 4000, for others - 5000
Valid channels for Japan (note some channels may have both 10 and 20 Mhz
width, some - only one of them):
20Mhz channels: 184,188,192,196;8,12,16,34,38,42,46
10Mhz channels: 183,184,185,187,188,189;7,8,11
For TGn (high throughput) standard expected to finalize around 2006, wide
40Mhz channels expected, with maybe some additional attributes.
After describing this whole mess, some points to pay attention:
- - channel number is not enough to determine frequency - there are same numbers
in 2.4 and 5Ghz bands.
- - to properly init hardware, channel witdh should be provided as well.
Thus, we probable need to use (channel,band,width) triples or (channel,domain)
tuples, where (band,width) mapped into domain.
Vladimir
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* Re: [PATCH Linux-2.6.7-bk19] prism54 freq to channel incorrect for 5GHz
2004-07-07 6:31 Margit Schubert-While
2004-07-07 7:49 ` Bjørn Mork
2004-07-08 18:43 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
@ 2004-07-09 6:58 ` Vladimir Kondratiev
2 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Vladimir Kondratiev @ 2004-07-09 6:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: netdev; +Cc: Margit Schubert-While, jgarzik, prism54-devel
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On Wednesday 07 July 2004 09:31, Margit Schubert-While wrote:
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> Note that AFAIK, the 5GHz WLAN channels start at 34 (5.17 GHz)
> (but I am not sure) and I don't know the top limit (except that
> it is <= 6GHz). Maybe somebody can shed light on this.
> If there is a clear definition, that should be reflected int the code.
> And something similar for channel_to_freq.
> Apparently Japan is doing something in the 10GHz band -
> will have to look for details.
It is not 10 GHz band. They use the same 5 GHz band, exactly same frequencies,
but channel is twice narrower - 10Mhz instead of 20Mhz as usual 802.11.
In 10Mhz channels, they use 1/2 data rates as well. I.e.
(6,9,12,18,24,36,48,54) rates replaced by (3,4.5,6,9,12,18,24,27)
For frequencies, there are several documents. I'll try to summarize:
2.4Ghz band (as in code):
in 802.11b standard, 14 channels defined:
freq=channel*5 + 2407, channel=1..13
freq=2484, channel=14
Those "unofficial" frequencies are not defined. BTW, do anyone know document
desctibing them?
5Ghz band (as in code):
freq=channel*5 + 5000, channel=0..200 (from standard)
For valid channels, 802.11a standard says there are 3 bands (all in US):
1: 36,40,44,48
2: 52,56,60,64
3: 149,153,157,161
TGh (regulation in Europe) adds channels
100..140 with interval 4
Tgj (japan) spec adds new rules: 10Mhz channels I mentioned above, and channel
formula:
freq=channel*5+dot11ChannelStartingFrequency; where
dot11ChannelStartingFrequency may be 4000 or 5000 (as for .11a)
For channels 183 and above, it is 4000, for others - 5000
Valid channels for Japan (note some channels may have both 10 and 20 Mhz
width, some - only one of them):
20Mhz channels: 184,188,192,196;8,12,16,34,38,42,46
10Mhz channels: 183,184,185,187,188,189;7,8,11
For TGn (high throughput) standard expected to finalize around 2006, wide
40Mhz channels expected, with maybe some additional attributes.
After describing this whole mess, some points to pay attention:
- - channel number is not enough to determine frequency - there are same numbers
in 2.4 and 5Ghz bands.
- - to properly init hardware, channel witdh should be provided as well.
Thus, we probable need to use (channel,band,width) triples or (channel,domain)
tuples, where (band,width) mapped into domain.
Vladimir
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